I didn't understand why it was fun for me, it just was.
But as I grew older, it became harder and harder to access that expansive imaginary space that made my toys fun. I remember looking at them and feeling sort of frustrated and confused that things weren't the same.
I played out all the same story lines that had been fun before, but the meaning had disappeared. Horse's Big Space Adventure transformed into holding a plastic horse in the air, hoping it would somehow be enjoyable for me. Prehistoric Crazy-Bus Death Ride was just smashing a toy bus full of dinosaurs into the wall while feeling sort of bored and unfulfilled. I could no longer connect to my toys in a way that allowed me to participate in the experience.
Depression feels almost exactly like that, except about everything.
At first, though, the invulnerability that accompanied the detachment was exhilarating. At least as exhilarating as something can be without involving real emotions.
The beginning of my depression had been nothing but feelings, so the emotional deadening that followed was a welcome relief. I had always wanted to not give a fuck about anything. I viewed feelings as a weakness — annoying obstacles on my quest for total power over myself. And I finally didn't have to feel them anymore.
But my experiences slowly flattened and blended together until it became obvious that there's a huge difference between not giving a fuck and not being able to give a fuck. Cognitively, you might know that different things are happening to you, but they don't feel very different.
Which leads to horrible, soul-decaying boredom.
I tried to get out more, but most fun activities just left me existentially confused or frustrated with my inability to enjoy them.
Months oozed by, and I gradually came to accept that maybe enjoyment was not a thing I got to feel anymore. I didn't want anyone to know, though. I was still sort of uncomfortable about how bored and detached I felt around other people, and I was still holding out hope that the whole thing would spontaneously work itself out. As long as I could manage to not alienate anyone, everything might be okay!
However, I could no longer rely on genuine emotion to generate facial expressions, and when you have to spend every social interaction consciously manipulating your face into shapes that are only approximately the right ones, alienating people is inevitable.
Everyone noticed.
It's weird for people who still have feelings to be around depressed people. They try to help you have feelings again so things can go back to normal, and it's frustrating for them when that doesn't happen. From their perspective, it seems like there has got to be some untapped source of happiness within you that you've simply lost track of, and if you could just see how beautiful things are...
At first, I'd try to explain that it's not really negativity or sadness anymore, it's more just this detached, meaningless fog where you can't feel anything about anything — even the things you love, even fun things — and you're horribly bored and lonely, but since you've lost your ability to connect with any of the things that would normally make you feel less bored and lonely, you're stuck in the boring, lonely, meaningless void without anything to distract you from how boring, lonely, and meaningless it is.
But people want to help. So they try harder to make you feel hopeful and positive about the situation. You explain it again, hoping they'll try a less hope-centric approach, but re-explaining your total inability to experience joy inevitably sounds kind of negative; like maybe you WANT to be depressed. The positivity starts coming out in a spray — a giant, desperate happiness sprinkler pointed directly at your face. And it keeps going like that until you're having this weird argument where you're trying to convince the person that you are far too hopeless for hope just so they'll give up on their optimism crusade and let you go back to feeling bored and lonely by yourself.
And that's the most frustrating thing about depression. It isn't always something you can fight back against with hope. It isn't even something — it's nothing. And you can't combat nothing. You can't fill it up. You can't cover it. It's just there, pulling the meaning out of everything. That being the case, all the hopeful, proactive solutions start to sound completely insane in contrast to the scope of the problem.
It would be like having a bunch of dead fish, but no one around you will acknowledge that the fish are dead. Instead, they offer to help you look for the fish or try to help you figure out why they disappeared.
The problem might not even have a solution. But you aren't necessarily looking for solutions. You're maybe just looking for someone to say "sorry about how dead your fish are" or "wow, those are super dead. I still like you, though."
I started spending more time alone.
Perhaps it was because I lacked the emotional depth necessary to panic, or maybe my predicament didn't feel dramatic enough to make me suspicious, but I somehow managed to convince myself that everything was still under my control right up until I noticed myself wishing that nothing loved me so I wouldn't feel obligated to keep existing.
It's a strange moment when you realize that you don't want to be alive anymore. If I had feelings, I'm sure I would have felt surprised. I have spent the vast majority of my life actively attempting to survive. Ever since my most distant single-celled ancestor squiggled into existence, there has been an unbroken chain of things that wanted to stick around.
Yet there I was, casually wishing that I could stop existing in the same way you'd want to leave an empty room or mute an unbearably repetitive noise.
That wasn't the worst part, though. The worst part was deciding to keep going.
When I say that deciding to not kill myself was the worst part, I should clarify that I don't mean it in a retrospective sense. From where I am now, it seems like a solid enough decision. But at the time, it felt like I had been dragging myself through the most miserable, endless wasteland, and — far in the distance — I had seen the promising glimmer of a slightly less miserable wasteland. And for just a moment, I thought maybe I'd be able to stop and rest. But as soon as I arrived at the border of the less miserable wasteland, I found out that I'd have to turn around and walk back the other way.
Soon afterward, I discovered that there's no tactful or comfortable way to inform other people that you might be suicidal. And there's definitely no way to ask for help casually.
I didn't want it to be a big deal. However, it's an alarming subject. Trying to be nonchalant about it just makes it weird for everyone.
I was also extremely ill-prepared for the position of comforting people. The things that seemed reassuring at the time weren't necessarily comforting for others.
The next few weeks were a haze of talking to relentlessly hopeful people about my feelings that didn't exist so I could be prescribed medication that might help me have them again.
And every direction was bullshit for a really long time, especially up. The absurdity of working so hard to continue doing something you don't like can be overwhelming. And the longer it takes to feel different, the more it starts to seem like everything might actually be hopeless bullshit.
My feelings did start to return eventually. But not all of them came back, and they didn't arrive symmetrically.
I had not been able to care for a very long time, and when I finally started being able to care about things again, I HATED them. But hatred is technically a feeling, and my brain latched onto it like a child learning a new word.
Hating everything made all the positivity and hope feel even more unpalatable. The syrupy, over-simplified optimism started to feel almost offensive.
Thankfully, I rediscovered crying just before I got sick of hating things. I call this emotion "crying" and not "sadness" because that's all it really was. Just crying for the sake of crying. My brain had partially learned how to be sad again, but it took the feeling out for a joy ride before it had learned how to use the brakes or steer.
At some point during this phase, I was crying on the kitchen floor for no reason. As was common practice during bouts of floor-crying, I was staring straight ahead at nothing in particular and feeling sort of weird about myself. Then, through the film of tears and nothingness, I spotted a tiny, shriveled piece of corn under the refrigerator.
I don't claim to know why this happened, but when I saw the piece of corn, something snapped. And then that thing twisted through a few permutations of logic that I don't understand, and produced the most confusing bout of uncontrollable, debilitating laughter that I have ever experienced.
I had absolutely no idea what was going on.
My brain had apparently been storing every unfelt scrap of happiness from the last nineteen months, and it had impulsively decided to unleash all of it at once in what would appear to be an act of vengeance.
That piece of corn is the funniest thing I have ever seen, and I cannot explain to anyone why it's funny. I don't even know why. If someone ever asks me "what was the exact moment where things started to feel slightly less shitty?" instead of telling a nice, heartwarming story about the support of the people who loved and believed in me, I'm going to have to tell them about the piece of corn. And then I'm going to have to try to explain that no, really, it was funny. Because, see, the way the corn was sitting on the floor... it was so alone... and it was just sitting there! And no matter how I explain it, I'll get the same, confused look. So maybe I'll try to show them the piece of corn - to see if they get it. They won't. Things will get even weirder.
Anyway, I wanted to end this on a hopeful, positive note, but, seeing as how my sense of hope and positivity is still shrouded in a thick layer of feeling like hope and positivity are bullshit, I'll just say this: Nobody can guarantee that it's going to be okay, but — and I don't know if this will be comforting to anyone else — the possibility exists that there's a piece of corn on a floor somewhere that will make you just as confused about why you are laughing as you have ever been about why you are depressed. And even if everything still seems like hopeless bullshit, maybe it's just pointless bullshit or weird bullshit or possibly not even bullshit.
I don't know.
But when you're concerned that the miserable, boring wasteland in front of you might stretch all the way into forever, not knowing feels strangely hope-like.
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«Oldest ‹Older 4001 – 4200 of 4972 Newer› Newest»You know, I think the corn is a bit funny. It's there, all alone, kind of incongruous, a little pathetic looking but totally still trucking on, being a corn, whatever might be going on in your life. Maybe what happened is you found it a little funny, and then the fact of actually enjoying anything was so strange and new and awesome it pushed you over the edge into hysterical laughter. So there's the corn still, looking all pathetic, and it's the thing that showed you that you could enjoy things again. You should make that corn into a necklace to wear or something.
Thank god you decided to talk to someone, that you realized this wasn't in your control and that you needed someone to help you fix it, and that you were able to make yourself do it. And thank god for the friend who made you go to the doctor.
This is fabulous Allie! It takes a lot of ... I dunno... something? to post something so personal and hard to talk about. I think this will help a lot of people understand how you are feeling (or not feeling) and how better to handle the situation when they are confronted with friends/family members going through the same thing. And no doubt this will help other people out there who might be also going through this feel a little less like an alone piece of popcorn. Life and our brains are so bizarre. Who knows why shit happens like it does. It seems the more you try to figure it out, the weirder things get and the more confusing. Access to the Internet doesn't always help. Glad you are back and thanks for sharing your adventures in depression. ;) I think many many people (myself included of course) have been there. Most people get through it, just gotta keep walking by those damn rocks and wasteland til you find it again.
Anyone who has ever experienced REAL depression - not simply sadness, will nod their heads in wonder at how perfectly you describe WHAT IT'S LIKE. The feeling of total isolation even when in a crowd of people, talking nonsense about meaningless trivia. And the part about the piece of corn being the most hysterical thing in the world.... you realized that silly little kernel was you, hiding under the refrigerator, collecting dust, and the absurdity of it (and our reality here on Earth)is truly enormously amusing! Thank you and let's be thankful that we're not in that dark place at the moment. May we never dive into that dark pool again!
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you so much. I found a piece of corn at my house.
This is everything I struggled with to a T. When I was at my lowest low, I simply didn't want to exist. It wasn't that I wanted to kill myself, so much as make the nothingness go away. So to hear someone describe it in the same way I felt it, makes me feel much less weird about it.
Depression to me always felt like my psyche was built on sand. Little things could send me into a terrible bout of depression for no reason. I try to be conscious of how I think so I can tell when things are starting to go sideways again.
The TL;DR Allie, is that you're not alone in your struggle and I'm still barely out of the woods of my depression. There are always people to talk to when you need to share how you're feeling, and for me it was a matter of finding my doctor who is able to know where I'm coming from
hahaha. just wait for it...
Despite being a stranger, i feel bad for not checking on you via email or something after your first depression post. I identify with everything you said. Unfortunately the apathy comes and goes.
Ima firn mah lazarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr BLARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Thank you SO much for explaining this in a way that's enlightening, funny and just plain *accurate.*
Hehehehe... cloorn XD
Brilliantly done. So painfully true. Except for the corn. I just looked under my fridge, and there's no corn. Just rat shit and dog hair. After 50+ years of wishing I was dead, hating everything and everyone- even my dogs at times- I figure this is pretty much how I was designed/created to be, and that's that. No medications, no therapy, no nothin' has ever worked, so I suppose it is what it is. Can't cry. Can't laugh. Can't enjoy anything. No clue whatsofuckingever how to have fun. But this void beats, I suppose, the alternative. I could win the lottery I guess. Probably about as likely as not being depressed.
I'm so happy you posted this. I hope things continue to thing for you xx
I swear this is the best description of depression I've ever read. It's like it was written for/about me. Thank you, Allie!!!! Glad to see you are making it out of the abyss.
My best friend has been going through the "not-wanting-to-live-oh-how-do-I-tell-people-this" stage of her life for a while now, and while I've been able to kind of maybe understand, I feel like I'm one of those positivity sprinklers a lot of the time. This post is really helping me reevaluate my tactics when it comes to helping her cope with her dead-fish feelings, and I can't thank you enough. Your posts are always so funny and brilliant and I wish you all the best. Thanks.
I've never been able to explain to my wife why I wanted to die at one point, or why I'm still pretty emotionally random. Thank you so much for sharing with us and for giving so many of us something we can point at and say, "You want to understand? Read this."
Thank you. Thank you so much for this post.
As someone who is going through depression right now, this is incredibly helpful. I'm so glad to see you are back and things are getting better. Keep posting! Your words make a difference!
I'm sorry your fish died, but I'm happy that you have an inkling that it might not all be bullshit.
I do hope that you are able to find some solutions and nourish yourself back to a healthy space.
Isn't it crazy how when you're suicidal, you end up comforting the people you tell? I tend to forget that it's not normal to regularly think about suicide. And that it scares others. Oops.
I am so happy that you are back.
This is helping me understand my husband a bit better.
It is hard for me to understand how someone who is smart, has a great sense of humor and appears to have everything going for them can fall into a pit of complete apathy about everything.
Nothing I do helps. I try to make him see all the positive things... everything that he has going for him - and it is met with nothing.
(Now I think I'm probably just being annoying)
Thank you for helping... I'll go toss some corn under the fridge to fossilize and see if corn works for him too.
Thank you.
Hi Allie. I've never commented on here before, but just wanted you to know that I enjoy your cartoony blog, and I'm glad you're back.
Thanks for sharing. As usual, brilliant.
I almost didn't believe it when my friend posted a link to this on Facebook, I'm so glad you're posting again. Even if it's just an update.
You explain everything so well here!
Welcome back, I missed you -)
Never have i seen a more accurate description. It's just perfect.
love you whether you like it or not. whether i know you or not. everyone gets my love. i won't play the depression comparison game, but even in my blackest (most colorless) days (weeks, years), i know i can spew love, despite my brain telling me i can't. for every nothing-feeling person, for the people who find even suicide another bullshit tree on the bullshit landscape, i spew love at you.
Part 1 and part 2 should be required reading for people who have never been depressed. "So, what, you just feel sad all the time?" I not only felt nothing but seemed to stop seeing in color. My corn was realizing things had color again.
If you make the "Maybe Everything Isn't Hopeless Bullshit" drawing at the bottom a poster for sale on your site store, you could probably sell a lot of them. I would buy one.
As someone who has depression, you hit the nail on the head. When I was in high school, I knew I would not be around after I turned 19. I wouldn't die, I would just vanish and cease to be. I met my husband when I turned 19. A more supportive man than I ever thought existed, he's still my cheerleader and understands that being with depression is in no way easy. I've been on a good mix of meds for many years now & I'm stable. Things do get better. And as for those folks that tell you to do yoga at sunrise and other such bullshit, take them with a handful of corn. Hang on with both hands. We that understand are here no matter what. (hug)
I very much hope what I have to write does not come across as cold. My 10 year old daughter tells me that she gets depressed. I have dear friends who are depressed and suicidal. I have love interests that suffer this way. Most of the elders in my family avoid emotion like the plague.
The concept confounds me. Reading your post gives me insight. An opportunity to compare and go deeply into the process of where someone goes when they are in that place. What I see is different. I started meditating using Tai Qi 17 years ago. I fell in love with Taoist theory and acquired a graduate degree in Chinese Medicine 12 years ago. The cultural subscription I had as a birthright to the concepts of "good and bad", "happy and sad" fell away with practicing my forms and learning this new perspective with which to view reality. My goal became to experience emptiness/ the nothing/ non-thought. The nothing is now my bliss. I do not value my emotions as good or bad, just measured in their extreme. Because now, in adulthood, everything has grown more complex and there is no pure joy or sadness. There is just intense feelings or less intense feeling. If I do not meditate daily, my experience of my emotions can be overwhelming and I take action from a place of compulsion. When I do practice, I can watch the emotions occur with objectivity and ride them, harnessing their power to take action in my world in places where I see the need for necessary change.
It doesn't take 17 years of practice to get here, either. In my work, I bring my patients (and my daughter) to the place of peace that I manifest in my meditative practice.
I understand why so many of my friends and family turn to drugs of some sort- prescription or recreational- to get by in this modern psychic climate. But, the thing is, is that those substances separate us further from the place within ourselves that connects to other people.
Is this the natural repercussion for taxing our planet beyond the tipping point? Wouldn't this be exactly what should be happening to strengthen our connection to each other? And by "this" I mean that we would all feel a deeply personal challenge to realign ourselves with what is truly functional within our own hearts so that the dysfunctional parts of ourselves can be let go of? I digress.
Perhaps you would enjoy Gurdjieff's levels of consciousness:
-400 Despair
-200 Suicidal Panic
-100 Regret
0 Clarity
+20 Co-creator of reality.
Thank you for posting this. I've been there a couple times, and people just DON'T GET IT. I'm glad you're doing better.
So happy you're back, Allie! Welcome to the club of people in recovery from depression. We're a special breed. Wishing you much metaphorical corn, Lindsey
Thank you for posting this. It made me laugh and feel wistful and sad and so many other things all at the same time. It was eerily and almost unnervingly true in every way. The way you expressed this was just... I don't know. I can't describe it. It was kind of magnificent, though. (More than kind of, actually)
I struggled with something like this for almost all of last year. I even had the bout of uncontrollable laughter, but it was (unfortunately) not at a piece of corn. So, just... thank you for writing about this in the way that you did. Honestly. Thanks.
you are a beautiful person. I'm glad you can feel again and you didn't stop living. this is the best explanation of depression there is. I hope it can help other depressed people by just letting them know that lots of people feel the way they do and it eventually goes away.
you are the definition of brave, the world needs you, you are not alone
love and light
-JC
This is one of the closest, and best descriptions of how i was feeling that I have ever seen. It makes explaining everything so much easier. Thank you so much!!!!
This is one of the closest, and best descriptions of how i was feeling that I have ever seen. It makes explaining everything so much easier. Thank you so much!!!!
This is brilliant.
I do believe very strongly that the cause of this sort of thing is often FOOD, or rather, non-food. As you point out, it is truly against nature for organisms to forgo all survival instincts. It is also against nature to eat the kind of absolute crap and chemicals that we do (which we only eat because greedy people have used chemicals to trick us, making these substances smell and taste like food). Raw organic food is the answer.
Maybe the corn was funny because your subconscious knew that food was the problem/answer.
Best wishes.
It's wonderful to see you back, dear Allie.
I'm sorry you've had to go through this extended period of suuuuuuuuck. It's shcary that emotions are like a thin atmosphere on a big reality planet. Makes me feel bad for other planets.
Allie- I am SO glad that you are back and I'm glad that maybe everything isn't hopeless bullshit. Welcome back!
Oh the fish metaphor... I had an internet friend send this to me because I'm just starting to try to tell people about my problems and the fucking condescending just-be-happy-now-please bullshit is overwhelming, and I tested this fish-explanation out on my boyfriend and he kinda went "Oh.... well, I'm sorry your feelings are dead :(" and now everyone else just needs to be smart enough to understand and that'd be really cool. But yea, thanks.. I needed help explaining and this is perfect.
I'll have to come read it again when the happy switch gets flipped on again, it looks funny.
Thank you for this. You've just described, in a way that I can truly understand, depression symptoms that I've seen in my sister for years. This helps a lot, and I hope you get even better, and I hope for all of our sakes that it isn't all hopeless bullshit.
I'm so glad you're back. I have been there. Hell, still am there, and I know that any platitudes are bullshit, but thanks for this. It's exactly right. And, again, welcome back.
<3
Just one more voice here to cheer you on.
I'm so happy you're back Allie, I've missed you like crazy.
I'm really glad that you decided to stick around in this whole life thing, despite it seeming like a batch of tiresome bullshit at the time. This is a really good post and I am gonna share it with everybody I know. Thank you for writing it.
Yup.
I can relate so much with this! Lack of feelings and not wanting to live anymore, but not necessarily to kill myself, that's me two years ago. I still take medication, because if I stop it all comes back again. Depression is a really shitty thing, but I think there is a way out, it's just not as obvious as not depressed people think.
Hi Allie. I haven't taken a shower or brushed my teeth in a week. I don't know why. I keep thinking I should and just not doing it. I got a smile about the kernel of corn with the survival instinct to hide under the refrigerator. Maybe your kitchen floor time is your will to live not having caught up with your having evolved into something too big to fit under the 'fridge. Maybe we all still have that atavistic instinct to return to the slime under the fridge when we need to regenerate. You and Jenny Lawson (the bloggess) are my favorite people-who-are-doing-awesome-stuff-even-though-they-are-totally-fucked-up. When I'm feeling too fucked up to be worthy of air, I think about how much better the world is with you in it.
Wow, this was just so great. I really enjoyed it! I lol'd and now my coworkers are staring at me.
I own that same disgusting, grey, depression hoodie and after reading this I'm considering maybe wearing it out in public less.
Thank you for sharing this. Please know that it did help at least one person out there feel less alone.
I can't find a good way to sum up how I'm feeling in a few sentences, so I'll just say thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm so glad you're back :)
This is the most accurate description of depression I've ever heard, especially since mine was wrapped up in confusion like bubble wrap and my bipolar tendencies made it easy to deny. I managed to find my way out, and it looks like you're on that same path. I wish you luck.
Your writing about your own experience with depression is both hilarious and the most spot-on description of depression I've ever read. I think most people think depression is being sad all the time and it might be for some people but I think for a lot of people it really is just feeling nothing at all.
Holy damn, is this a lot of comments. I'm sure it's going to take a while to even skim them, so I won't babble too much.
I mostly just wanted to say -- it is so good to see another post, and this is brilliant. Truly. This is the single best description of what it is to be depressed I think I have ever seen. And anybody who has been through anything like probably finds connection, through the real lack thereof you get across here so well.
And I completely understand about the corn. Once, for me, it was ants. No, I can't explain it, either, but they were fugging hilarious, let me tell you.
Glad you kept walking.
What I really want to know is... did you keep that piece of corn?
Thank you, thank you, thank you. For putting everything into words and pictures that I never could. So incredibly excited that you're back.
Welcome back and most especially, thank you. xo
Super glad to see you posting - depression blows goats, if corn work, hail corn.
Hey Allie!
I missed you! Also, the tiny shriveled corn made me laugh :)
I suffered from depression my whole life, I tried antidepressants and metiation and self help and therapy and eveything even almost suicidde and THE ONLY WAY OUT WAS GIVING MY LIFE TO JESUS. that simple. God bless you. May you find HIM accept HIM in your heart. He will transform your life. Give it a shot.
I'm so glad you're back. You describe all the things I feel and don't feel way better than my stupid brain can. Whenever people ask me why I feel the way I feel, or why can't I just get better, I show them your last two posts.
Welcome back, Allie.
"No, see, I don't necessarily want to KILL myself...I just want to become dead somehow."
Guh, that's so on the nose it makes my chest hurt. Suicide sounds so dramatic...I just wanted to cease existing, at least for a while, I just needed a break from all this.
Interesting!
I really missed you thanks so much for posting again
Again, thanks for putting into words (and pictures!) what I could not say or makes sense of at the time, you're the freaking greatest <3
Can you please post how people can HELP those with depression? I know I'm not a doctor, but what would you want others to say or do (or nothing) when you are depressed without making anything worse. I have a friend who has depression and I just listen and cry with her now. Because I'm her friend and I love her and so I get sad when she's sad, but what else can I do? I used to drag her around to happy happy stuff, but she finally told me that it wasn't helping. So I stopped. Now what?
Wow I used to think that david foster wallace story "the depressed person" was the most accurate written depiction of depression but I was wrong it is this. And yet this brings joy not despair. Thank you Allie. Thank you so much.
The fish metaphor worked perfectly for me, there's a song called Black Dog that always seems to sum up my depression (I'm bipolar) perfectly;
"In the light of the cinema screen I hide,
laughing I only feel empty inside,
crying means nothing,
I've nothing to say,
i wish I could kick this old black dog away.
And the worst part is thinking it's something it's not.
Yeah the worst part is thinking it might never stop,
oh if I can pull myself together I'll try,
but I can't explain the tears that sit in my eyes.
And the worst part is trying to explain it to you,
yeah the worst part is knowing there's nothing to do..
Oh if I could pull myself together I'll try,
Oh if I can't.
pull myself
together,
I'll die"
Also, my best friend freaked out when I asked if she'd take my cats if something happened to me. I wasn't planning on dying, but it seemed pretty logical.
You know, I've never been significantly depressed. But i do study emotions in my head. And I've totally noticed, and been baffled by, that same random, endless laughter. You're definitely not alone in this, that's for sure.
Wow, VERY hpapy you are back, and this comic had me laughing out loud, like a crazy alot scavenging through trash for food laughing at a piece of corn
This is exactly what I am going through right now in my life. I've sent it to all of my friends so that they know how I feel. It also is good to know that bullshit hope might be around the corner for me.
It is good to see you back though!
I'm sorry your fishes died.
Thank you. I'm sorry you have to understand depression so well, but thank you for sharing what you're going through. Everyone says depression lies, that you're not as alone as it makes you feel. When it feels like everyone is just flaunting their happiness at you, that gets hard to see. But you've made a strong case for them being right. It's not my shriveled up piece of corn, but it's a start.
I'm glad the piece of corn under your fridge saved you from your sneaky long term hate spiral
WE LOVE YOU ALLY!
I love you for being back. For helping us hold a mirror to ourselves.
Thank you.
I have been there! I don't know the answer, but know that you are not the soul inhabitant of "Is it All Just Pointless Bullshit? Town". It can be hard to see your neighbors sometimes, but a lot of of live here at least part time. I hope you feel better, and you are not alone!
this was so good to read, partly familiar to my experiences personally and then also I think it helps me understand what some friends/family members have gone through in the past! thanks for posting this.
This was like a tiny piece of corn under the fridge. It made me laugh and laugh.
I'm ecstatic that you're back! I missed your crazy antics. I've been exactly where you were and where you are. I wish you well and hope things continue to get better.
LAUGH AT ALL THE CORN!!!!!!!!! thank you, yay you.
also? the maybe-it's-not-all-hopeless-bullshit image is gonna be ALL the cover photos.
xoxoxo
This is in many ways an informative story. I took a counseling class this year and now know how unhelpful others can be, specifically the examples you pointed out. Of course, I am exactly like those people, saying you just have to push through it or something. I knew someone who was depressed and really should have just listened without trying to take some sort of responsibility for them. As you state it makes it hard to say that you are depressed or suicidal or slightly maybe unhappy even if others panic when you do. Unsure how to say nice things with out saying the word "hope" or freaking out that you are depressed but... You make really funny thoughtful things. I guess that works.
Glad you got some new fish.
Don't let those bastards die again.
The world is a better place because you are in it and creating work like this. As you can read here, there are many, many of us who have missed you. I hope you continue to recover and heal!
Mission accomplished -- I laughed (and cried). This helps me because I am a teacher and I know some of my students are depressed. I want to be there for them without being obnoxious for them. But thanks for being willing to put it into pictures and words, so hopefully I can be a better friend and teacher.
Do you have any idea how many depressed people you and your piece of corn inspired today?
THANK. YOU.
<3 <3 <3
COGNITIVE BEHAVIOURAL THERAPY (CBT)
If you want to solve the problem of the dead fish, you need CBT for depression.
It is hard work and you will have to spend some time learning about it and what techniques are right for you.
THIS IS THE ANSWER
You've still got it, Allie. I love you.
You know, I've never been significantly depressed. But i do study emotions in my head. And I've totally noticed, and been baffled by, that same random, endless laughter. You're definitely not alone in this, that's for sure.
thast was heartwarming i fudging love uoy o,mg im sorry
I'm so sorry for what you're going through. A lot hit home. Thank you for the time and cost to you it must have taken to write this.
Thank you very much for bringing your creativity back to the internet. This sounded really eerily familiar; a very genuine expression of what depression is like, and how it's not like anyone expects.
Thank you.
Wow. Thank you. I have been in that place...and when you first start "feeling" anything again it really sucks...and can be overwhelming. I am grateful that I am finally in a place where I could laugh hysterically with you over the lonely corn. Yup. that about says it.
So glad to see you're back (as back as you are right now, anyway). Beautiful, relatable post. (And awesome drawings that look like you must have spent hours on.)
thank you Thank you THANK YOU for sharing! I can only imagine how hard this was to get out but I'm guessing it helped you a lot too. I really wish more people would open up and talk about depression. So many people lump it in with grief, heartache, and just generally sad for a specific reason.
When I was a 17 I had people telling me over and over just to cheer up and be happy while I was dealing with my own depression issues. They kept trying to fix why I was sad.
Last year when I lost my father people kept telling me to seek help for my obvious depression, refusing to accept that I was just grieving and would work past it. There was a source and a cause for my overwhelming sadness and I knew how to work towards moving beyond it.
Depression just doesn't work that way. Thank you for giving the most uncomfortably and blatantly honest account of depression I have read. And I really hope you keep feeling better.
You have been greatly missed
Thank you.
I'm glad you are on your way back. I hope that momentum continues to carry you upward and forward.
First of all, welcome back!
Second of all, this couldn't have been written at a better time in my life. I just went through/am going through the exact same thing.
I have tried so many times for the people around me to put into words what it was like, and couldn't get anywhere close to this.
Thank you for writing this post
I'm glad you're feeling less shitty :)
I'm glad you're back
This was possibly the best description of depression I've ever read. Thank you. <3
What can I say that isn't trite? I've been there? I remember the day, standing in a shower, it occurred to me that killing myself would be easier than dealing with the...it. Just dealing with the feelings. And the mad.
And you are awesome. The end.
Oh my God... Thank You!!! What a RELIEF!
Wow. That's hideously accurate.
Thank you for posting it.
And, obviously, I hope you find your answers, and can return to, or remain, being undepressed.
Shriveled corn is always funny.
For whatever this may say about me, I'm laughing so hard at the corn that I'm crying...Ok, maybe...I'll accept maybe...
Uh... I just laughed so hard at the corn thing that there's snot coming out of my nose.
wow. having, like so many people, had experienced the adventure of depression this has to be one of the best illustrations i have ever seen of the experience.
the most memorable thing i recall was being incapable of speech. apparently there are a few weeks missing from my memory as well.
a LOT of people need to see this.
just for the educational aspect
So glad you're back! And ugh, I wish people would accept that you can't fight depression with positivity.
I laughed, so that must make me some sort of sadist. But your pictures just CAPTURE SO MUCH HILARITY, like that little piece of corn.
So glad you're back! Love this post :)
You're B-A-C-K!!! Yay!!!!
It got a little flinch-y and uncomfortable, and you succeed in making me laugh during those parts, which made feel a little weird about myself. But it's okay. I let it happen, because you WANTED it to happen. Because it makes you feel powerful.
So feel powerful.
You're loved, and have been so terribly missed. Thank you for sharing with us again <3
Best explanation ever so glad you posted this!
I agree that corn is funny. I've also laughed about corn before.
Well, no matter how you're not-feeling, there are a lot of people here that love you so we do hope you still feel obligated to keep existing. And we are now having a lot of happy feelings at you now knowing that you're still some level of existing. Welcome back. :)
Thank you for sharing!!!
Yay another post!
I'm not expecting more soon, but I wish I could. Even tales of your crippling depression makes other people laugh.
Even if everything is hopeless and bland bullshit, people still find ways to note their "landmarks", to find ups and downs, meaning, and precious and hated moments within their bland, barely-variating lives. I'm sure your fish have laid eggs for new fish.
YES! Love this post! Which makes me feel weird, because it's about you being depressed. But...hooray for corn! Is it bad that I thought the corn story was hilarious? Is it weird that I totally understand why that was funny to you? Maybe I am depressed too. ...??? O.o
I liked the ending and the rainbow picture. Life is full of a ton of bullshit, but maybe, like you said, it's not hopeless bullshit. Maybe it's just frustrating regular old life bullshit.
And it will get better. ;) haha. Truth. <3
All I can say is, I'm really happy you're back and writing. Some people may get the corn. We may not actually know you, but we get the corn. :)
Congratulations on your maybe-not-dead fish!
One day, you'll rise to the surface and you'll be like, "Sweet baby Jesus!! I love this crap, and it's so much better than all of that bullshit drowning that I've been doing all these years!!" and just for giggles, you'll feel a little bit happy, and then a little bit sad, and a little bit angry, and a little bit proud, because you can.
It's bitchin' awesome. Welcome to the beginning of the other side, Allie.
Allie, you are awesome. All I can say is that I'm so glad that you found your piece of corn. *hug*
Thank you.
The toy thing at the beginning was the perfect analogy. I'm now 40, and I can still remember the exact moment that happened to me, and how empty it all felt. So, thanks. I get it now. And, if it's not too late, I'm sorry about how dead your fish are ... I still like you, though.
"No, see, I don't necessarily want to kill myself... i just want to become dead somehow", i have said this same exact thing to anyone i let in on this secret. Your explanation is spot on (especially about the anger), and your ending, "not knowing feels strangely hope-like", the mystery of what the future holds is the only thing thats kept me going, i think "might as well ride this thing out, im only going to be miserable once so lets see where it takes me" although this mentality hasn't gotten rid of the problem at all. Thanks for posting this, glad to know others feel this way
This is probably your best post ever. Thank you for sharing your story. It's the most accurate description of battling depression that I've ever read. I'm so happy you're back online.
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Fantastic!
Yay! I have been obsessively checking to see if there was a new comic up for a very long time. Also, I have had a very odd this-is-hilarious moment when depressed with a bottle of mustard that I accidentally hit myself with. So who knows, brains are strange.
Awesome post, as usual.
Stephen Hawking elaborated on his take of the meaning of life. I'll skip most of it, but in the end, because reality is subjective, he concludes that the purpose and meaning of life is, quite literally, whatever we want it to be. That was a breath of fresh air for me.
I spend most of my days understanding in the back of my mind that there really is an inherent insignificance and meaninglessness to being alive...in the big picture. It's taken me over 10 years, but I'm finally finding joy in the small things again. Because every little thing has a significance to someone in some way. And I don't expect anyone to understand why I find joy in the things I do. You shouldn't be afraid to enjoy the things you do.
"The key is to balance the terror of being alive with the wonder of being alive." - Don Juan Matus
I'm very happy you're back, Allie. My girlfriend and I love you, and have both been checking the site at least once a week since you've been gone. I won't bullshit you about life, but I hope you find more different pieces of corn that make you happy.
I love you and I am glad that you are able to feel again.
I have been struggling with depression for several years now. I'm always very careful to differentiate my sadness (being unhappy because of X) and depression (feeling numb and hopeless for no reason). I have never heard someone talk about how pointless depression is and how this is unrecognizable from the outside. You do it so eloquently. I've been reading your blog for years and I'm always amazed at the bizarre but completely accurate similes you draw (like the dead fish). You are one of my favorite cartoonist bloggers and I'm really glad to see another post from you.
Thank you allie. It was awesome reading you again. And as everyone has said , you describe somthing many of us have been through better than we ever could
Reading all these comments seems like a full-time job. If you like, I can just read them aloud, super-serious, make a recording, and send you the audio file so you can listen to them in bed.
So much love to you, Allie. I've been where you were, and rotting dead fish is a pretty great metaphor. I hope things continue to become progressively less dead and fishy for you.
Wow! I'm so happy you are back!
Been there several times. Thanks for putting it into words.
You have done it again. These are the best depictions of depression I have ever seen in any format. Well done you and welcome back!
Whether it helps or not, I totally get the corn thing.
Glad to hear from you again. :)
I loved these blogs. They were so honest. I had bad post-partum depression after both kids' births. I went through all the things you listed. I came out of it, but it's something you never forget.
Thank you!
Thank you allie. As everyone has said you have described somthing many of us have been through far better than we could ourselves. It was a privilege reading this.
The internet is pointless without you. You are brilliant, you know, totally brilliant. I can tell I'm not the only one who is grateful for that ridiculous piece of corn!
The corn sent me into hysterical laughter and sobs at the same time. I have lived this at various times in my life...just coming out of one now and I'm so glad to see this post. I wish you the best on your journey.
Welcome back, I've missed you. This post should be mandatory reading for anyone with a friend or family member that's suffering from depression. It's the best description I've ever read of how a depressed person really sees themselves and the world.
Welcome back! Glad to hear you are better. Beautiful post.
You're back!!!
I'm so glad to hear you're still kicking. I can't promise things will get better or worse, because who knows? But I'm glad you found your corn!
Oh, Allie!
I'm wearing a hoodie and was frowning at people in the lunch room. I used to hide under my bed to cry so people wouldn't ask questions. Man, do I get not wanting to live anymore (not suicide at all!) It's the next step in evolution--hyper sensitive comedy brain!
Sending you so much love (and old corn) right now! I'm so glad you're back, thank you for being brave enough to share this story. Here's to any and all future bullshit being speckled with corn.
Adding, boy howdy, did I miss you.
I'm sorry how dead your fish are. Welcome back :)
Maybe you realized that shriveled bit of corn all alone under the fridge was analogous to your situation, and you finally understood the absurdity of your isolation.
Regardless, try to not isolate yourself and keep on feeling... everything!
Have you tried Jameson?
Thank you for being brave. And for making me feel not alone because sometimes, I wish I didn't exist. Other people don't understand when I struggle with wanting to not exist, which, as you point out, is actually quite different from wanting to kill yourself. As you found out, any discussion of wanting to not exist ends up with you comforting others and promising to get help.
You're awesome.
Please know there are resources out there to help you and others having thoughts of suicide. You can call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, or TALK Line, at 1-800-273-TALK(8255).
Thank you for sharing your story. You helped me and made me laugh at the same time. I am glad you are okay.
You are truly brilliant. I have struggled with the same problems since leaving the military. My friends and fiancé don't understand and constantly ask questions like your friends do. I don't feel often but one of the few things that always makes me feel are your words. Please don't go away again. We love you here in the Internet
I can't thank you enough for the dead fish analogy. I relate so much to that and so much else in this post. I am at the "Maybe everything isn't hopeless bullshit" stage as well. Much love to you <3
Best of luck with everything. Having pulled myself out of a similiar situation, I can only say that I understand. I'm never really done with it, but about 90% of the time, things are just fine. I haven't been on meds for years.
Looking for my piece of corn....
Thank you.
This is the best description of depression and suicidal feelings I've read. I had a major depressive episode two years ago, people don't really understand what depression is. They think it's feeling sad/bad/negative, they don't realise it's feeling NOTHING. It's not that you want to kill yourself, you don't really feel the full consequences of that decision, you just want to escape the nothingness. I'm glad you decided to not kill yourself and go to the doctor.
Anyone reading this who is depressed, take the step of going to the doctor to get away from the nothingness not suicide! Give medication a chance.
I missed you. Not in a creepy, stalkery way. I just feel like you would get me. And it turns out...I was right. I am in the crying-for-no-reason phase. Not sure it will ever end. Glad you're back.
Thqnk you for writing this. I try to do a similar thing with my bipolar - just throw it out, however ridiculous it sounds. It's real and those who can talk about it help those who can't.
Thank you.
While this is my first comment on here, I've been reading for a while, and I'm really glad you're back and getting towards being ok. Fight on x
Thank you so much for putting words to this. It might sound weird but I feel like this post helped me to define some sensations of depression that I have been stuck on which has been making it hard to shake the last bits of it all. I hope the best emotions start to find you more and more again. You're my hero.
The fish story really got to me because that's how I feel every time I try to talk to somebody about my depression.
I should probably make "maybe everything isn't hopeless bullshit" my mantra until I can find my own piece of corn.
For what it's worth, I'm really glad you're here.
You captured the feelings perfectly. Not just for the depressee, but for the people trying to help. I will seriously approach people differently when it seems like they may be depressed. You're amazing! So happy to see you again...We missed you.
Yes, only those who have suffered from clinical depression can relate. I was depressed literally for about 30 years. Every day I woke alive, I was angry about it, resentful. But, fearing pain, I never had the courage to commit suicide. Also I have family who would be very hurt if I had. So by the time I was 45 or so, the depression ended all by itself. I distrust BigPharma so I won't take antidepressants.
Anyway, I loved the bit about the corn, depressed people gave a different sense of humor than "normals". We appreciate the absurdity of existence, when we're not pissed off and depressed about it.
Hey Allie - Welcome back! I think it's really beautiful that you and can and are willing to share this. My dad suffers from depression, and your two posts about your experiences have really made it a lot more understandable for me. You have a beautiful way of expressing your thoughts. I hope your happy trend continues!
For the record, I totally get why the corn was funny. <3
I wish this post had been around back when I was dealing with the worst of my depression so I could have stapled a copy to the face of everyone who told me to just "cheer up".
I can relate to this so hard. And while reading it I was laughing so hard, and simultaneously bawling. If that's what you were aiming for, mission accomplished. Thank you.
" The absurdity of working so hard to continue doing something you don't like can be overwhelming."
Every single day this is what I feel like. Putting on that face, that personality, it is exhausting.
I'm glad you're back. Hopefully we hear more from you. Sorry you're fish are dead. Mine are too :)
You have just described about 18 months of my life from a couple years ago to just a few months ago.
There's something to be said for sheer, bloody-minded determination, or lack of enough motivation to quit. Congratulations on finding your way through to the other side!
What can I add to all the thousands of 'welcome backs' you are bound to get here? Clearly the hope that you lack for yourself is corn for millions. How lonely...all your success and talent, and so young... how very scary. Please don't conclude that it's meaningless... claim your talent! And please, please, don't become a scientologist.
Ok...I love you...like seriously...and I wouldn't know you if you ran up and spit on me in the street. I would try to whoop your ass, but then if you told me you were that funny blog chick, I would give you a great big hug and offer to take you to dinner. I've loved your blog for the longest...My bff and I have put "clean all the things" and "go to the bank like a mutha fuckin adult" in our everyday speak. I've been through depression...and until today...until reading your blog...I've never been able to put into word what I felt or what I was going through. I could cry right now...thank you so much for sharing...I'm happy you're back. Many blessings to you.
I remember that feeling of emptiness and how it's such a shock when the weight of that emptiness hits you. I was in 8th grade social studies when it hit me. I almost had a panic attack over the overwhelming feeling of being like a jar of peanut butter that had been completely scraped of all its contents. By the time I reached high school if anything bad happened to me, I would automatically think of 5 different ways to kill myself; it was a reflex I had developed. It wasn't until I moved out that things got better.
I'm so glad you survived and I hope you can find corn whenever you should need it.
I don't think I've ever read a post that really expressed exactly how I was feeling.Like many others who have posted, I was teary eyed and even breathless at how exact this was. Thank you so much for sharing this. I'm so glad you were able to. I think you just hit a home run for a lot of people.
Thank you for posting this, it has helped me understand a loved one who suffers with depression so much better.
I think you are wonderful and thank you for being honest about your experience as I am sure it is going to help so many others too.
Much love to you and I hope things keep getting better and better for you.
Very carefully and wittily observed. My friends and I are reading this agog. I have actually spoken some of these lines, word-for-word, including, "I don't want to KILL myself, I just want to be dead somehow ..." Although it's doubtful it will resonate as well with people who haven't "been there," I hope it will spread some understanding.
I'm glad you found funny again, even if it's in the middle of sad.
Thank you, thank you for posting this - it's good to get an update on your site, for starters, and because this post and the previous one on depression brilliantly illustrate what the disease is like.
I am now able to somewhat explain my absurd and black humor to my fluffy, well-meaning onlookers. Sometimes corn is all it takes, and all that matters. I also wish I could force corn moments, but alas, they come when they come. You lessen the bullshit in this place. Thanks.
You know what's even funnier than a shriveled up piece of corn under the refrigerator? Well, okay, probably nothing.
But what is ALSO quite funny is the idea that, if you go to a wedding, you could throw creamed corn at the bride and groom instead of rice. And if you're REALLY depressed and maybe a just a little bit lazy, because I know that happens sometimes...you wouldn't even have to take it out of the can first.
I feel silly posting the zillionth comment but whether you read this or not, I am rooting for you SO HARD.
I am going to go kill some fish or buy some corn or something... I am in the bullshit doctor phase right now... we shall see what happens..
This is exactly what I have been through, may still be going through. I lost my mom in 2011 and it sent the mild depression I was ignoring into a full out tail spin. I still have moments where I am irrationally angry that everyone around me is happy but that is passing. Overall, you have explained everything so well that I need to bookmark this if ever I need to explain what being depressed is like.
I am glad to see that you have come through this.
This is the best description of how I feel that I've ever seen. I wondered for just a moment if I had written it, you know, while I was in an altered state? Another personality? But no, it's you, just you who can understand how amazingly hilarious a dessicated piece of corn can be.
Thank you so much for posting this!
Thank you. It's good to have you and your work back in the world and in my life.
Thank you corn <3
This was quite enlightening to me. Thanks for writing it.
Been there. Not dead yet. Good luck.
P.S. This should be published in something that makes you the most famous depressed person in the world. Because it is totally perfect. (Here, let me help you look for that dead fish. I know we can find it if we really put ourselves into it. Yeah...)
Allie, I have never, ever heard anyone describe depression in such an accurate way. Not counselors, not anyone I have know. I can totally relate to the feeling of crying and not knowing why, hopelessness, etc...And I can absolutely relate to having others not understand WHY in the hell you could cry for "no good reason." I wish I had this post years ago when my friends struggled to understand my depression. I hope you continue to feel better and post as you feel you can.
You've just made depression tangible for those who have never experienced it.
This has never been done before. Not with the sappy hope, sympathy, and bullshit offered by always-smiling therapists, psychiatrists, or anyone with a goddamn two-or-three-capital-letter extension after their name. Not with decades of brain-poking and "studies". Never before.
No, a random chick using a social media site did it singlehandedly, in a post that took less than 5 minutes to read.
For this, you get all of my internets and some cupcakes. <3
I don't know whether to like or dislike this blog. Either way, from a place of pure selfishness, I'm glad you're back!
Woah, it's so good to see your posts again! I hate that you felt that way, it's a terrible thing to go through for sure. Though, I am happy there was a piece of corn to lift your spirits and bring a little brightness to your life :3
ALLIE! YOU ARE OUR CORN!!
"I don't necessarily want to KILL myself . . . I just want to become dead somehow." This and so much more. I read this post this morning and I have never in my life read anything that explained my experiences better. The part about wishing my dog would quit loving me so much. The attempts to comfort other people. The awkwardness of trying to tell someone you want to be dead and then having to deal with their overwrought EMOTIONS about you saying such a thing. And the recovery, the HATE oh man, that came back first for me, too and it actually felt so good to feel it, to feel anything, after not being able to give a shit for so long. I feel like nobody could explain it better.
I'm glad you're back. I've lived with someone with depression and I've experienced short bouts myself, nothing like what you've experienced, but i certainly know the feeling of just not wanting to exist, thankfully the thought of my dog being alone kept me hanging on.
So I wouldn't have offered to help you try and find the dead fish you have in your hands, but you need to know that I love you and hundreds, probably thousands of others do too.
So happy to know you have gotten help and can feel again.
You've made me laugh so much, your brilliance at comedy is a rare thing. Thanks!
Ooooh, and I have some water you should put your fish into when you find them.
I think everyone in the world should read this post so that they can maybe understand just a little bit about how depression is. It's not just "being sad"- this is such an excellent post! I am glad you found that piece of corn.
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