I didn't understand why it was fun for me, it just was.
But as I grew older, it became harder and harder to access that expansive imaginary space that made my toys fun. I remember looking at them and feeling sort of frustrated and confused that things weren't the same.
I played out all the same story lines that had been fun before, but the meaning had disappeared. Horse's Big Space Adventure transformed into holding a plastic horse in the air, hoping it would somehow be enjoyable for me. Prehistoric Crazy-Bus Death Ride was just smashing a toy bus full of dinosaurs into the wall while feeling sort of bored and unfulfilled. I could no longer connect to my toys in a way that allowed me to participate in the experience.
Depression feels almost exactly like that, except about everything.
At first, though, the invulnerability that accompanied the detachment was exhilarating. At least as exhilarating as something can be without involving real emotions.
The beginning of my depression had been nothing but feelings, so the emotional deadening that followed was a welcome relief. I had always wanted to not give a fuck about anything. I viewed feelings as a weakness — annoying obstacles on my quest for total power over myself. And I finally didn't have to feel them anymore.
But my experiences slowly flattened and blended together until it became obvious that there's a huge difference between not giving a fuck and not being able to give a fuck. Cognitively, you might know that different things are happening to you, but they don't feel very different.
Which leads to horrible, soul-decaying boredom.
I tried to get out more, but most fun activities just left me existentially confused or frustrated with my inability to enjoy them.
Months oozed by, and I gradually came to accept that maybe enjoyment was not a thing I got to feel anymore. I didn't want anyone to know, though. I was still sort of uncomfortable about how bored and detached I felt around other people, and I was still holding out hope that the whole thing would spontaneously work itself out. As long as I could manage to not alienate anyone, everything might be okay!
However, I could no longer rely on genuine emotion to generate facial expressions, and when you have to spend every social interaction consciously manipulating your face into shapes that are only approximately the right ones, alienating people is inevitable.
Everyone noticed.
It's weird for people who still have feelings to be around depressed people. They try to help you have feelings again so things can go back to normal, and it's frustrating for them when that doesn't happen. From their perspective, it seems like there has got to be some untapped source of happiness within you that you've simply lost track of, and if you could just see how beautiful things are...
At first, I'd try to explain that it's not really negativity or sadness anymore, it's more just this detached, meaningless fog where you can't feel anything about anything — even the things you love, even fun things — and you're horribly bored and lonely, but since you've lost your ability to connect with any of the things that would normally make you feel less bored and lonely, you're stuck in the boring, lonely, meaningless void without anything to distract you from how boring, lonely, and meaningless it is.
But people want to help. So they try harder to make you feel hopeful and positive about the situation. You explain it again, hoping they'll try a less hope-centric approach, but re-explaining your total inability to experience joy inevitably sounds kind of negative; like maybe you WANT to be depressed. The positivity starts coming out in a spray — a giant, desperate happiness sprinkler pointed directly at your face. And it keeps going like that until you're having this weird argument where you're trying to convince the person that you are far too hopeless for hope just so they'll give up on their optimism crusade and let you go back to feeling bored and lonely by yourself.
And that's the most frustrating thing about depression. It isn't always something you can fight back against with hope. It isn't even something — it's nothing. And you can't combat nothing. You can't fill it up. You can't cover it. It's just there, pulling the meaning out of everything. That being the case, all the hopeful, proactive solutions start to sound completely insane in contrast to the scope of the problem.
It would be like having a bunch of dead fish, but no one around you will acknowledge that the fish are dead. Instead, they offer to help you look for the fish or try to help you figure out why they disappeared.
The problem might not even have a solution. But you aren't necessarily looking for solutions. You're maybe just looking for someone to say "sorry about how dead your fish are" or "wow, those are super dead. I still like you, though."
I started spending more time alone.
Perhaps it was because I lacked the emotional depth necessary to panic, or maybe my predicament didn't feel dramatic enough to make me suspicious, but I somehow managed to convince myself that everything was still under my control right up until I noticed myself wishing that nothing loved me so I wouldn't feel obligated to keep existing.
It's a strange moment when you realize that you don't want to be alive anymore. If I had feelings, I'm sure I would have felt surprised. I have spent the vast majority of my life actively attempting to survive. Ever since my most distant single-celled ancestor squiggled into existence, there has been an unbroken chain of things that wanted to stick around.
Yet there I was, casually wishing that I could stop existing in the same way you'd want to leave an empty room or mute an unbearably repetitive noise.
That wasn't the worst part, though. The worst part was deciding to keep going.
When I say that deciding to not kill myself was the worst part, I should clarify that I don't mean it in a retrospective sense. From where I am now, it seems like a solid enough decision. But at the time, it felt like I had been dragging myself through the most miserable, endless wasteland, and — far in the distance — I had seen the promising glimmer of a slightly less miserable wasteland. And for just a moment, I thought maybe I'd be able to stop and rest. But as soon as I arrived at the border of the less miserable wasteland, I found out that I'd have to turn around and walk back the other way.
Soon afterward, I discovered that there's no tactful or comfortable way to inform other people that you might be suicidal. And there's definitely no way to ask for help casually.
I didn't want it to be a big deal. However, it's an alarming subject. Trying to be nonchalant about it just makes it weird for everyone.
I was also extremely ill-prepared for the position of comforting people. The things that seemed reassuring at the time weren't necessarily comforting for others.
The next few weeks were a haze of talking to relentlessly hopeful people about my feelings that didn't exist so I could be prescribed medication that might help me have them again.
And every direction was bullshit for a really long time, especially up. The absurdity of working so hard to continue doing something you don't like can be overwhelming. And the longer it takes to feel different, the more it starts to seem like everything might actually be hopeless bullshit.
My feelings did start to return eventually. But not all of them came back, and they didn't arrive symmetrically.
I had not been able to care for a very long time, and when I finally started being able to care about things again, I HATED them. But hatred is technically a feeling, and my brain latched onto it like a child learning a new word.
Hating everything made all the positivity and hope feel even more unpalatable. The syrupy, over-simplified optimism started to feel almost offensive.
Thankfully, I rediscovered crying just before I got sick of hating things. I call this emotion "crying" and not "sadness" because that's all it really was. Just crying for the sake of crying. My brain had partially learned how to be sad again, but it took the feeling out for a joy ride before it had learned how to use the brakes or steer.
At some point during this phase, I was crying on the kitchen floor for no reason. As was common practice during bouts of floor-crying, I was staring straight ahead at nothing in particular and feeling sort of weird about myself. Then, through the film of tears and nothingness, I spotted a tiny, shriveled piece of corn under the refrigerator.
I don't claim to know why this happened, but when I saw the piece of corn, something snapped. And then that thing twisted through a few permutations of logic that I don't understand, and produced the most confusing bout of uncontrollable, debilitating laughter that I have ever experienced.
I had absolutely no idea what was going on.
My brain had apparently been storing every unfelt scrap of happiness from the last nineteen months, and it had impulsively decided to unleash all of it at once in what would appear to be an act of vengeance.
That piece of corn is the funniest thing I have ever seen, and I cannot explain to anyone why it's funny. I don't even know why. If someone ever asks me "what was the exact moment where things started to feel slightly less shitty?" instead of telling a nice, heartwarming story about the support of the people who loved and believed in me, I'm going to have to tell them about the piece of corn. And then I'm going to have to try to explain that no, really, it was funny. Because, see, the way the corn was sitting on the floor... it was so alone... and it was just sitting there! And no matter how I explain it, I'll get the same, confused look. So maybe I'll try to show them the piece of corn - to see if they get it. They won't. Things will get even weirder.
Anyway, I wanted to end this on a hopeful, positive note, but, seeing as how my sense of hope and positivity is still shrouded in a thick layer of feeling like hope and positivity are bullshit, I'll just say this: Nobody can guarantee that it's going to be okay, but — and I don't know if this will be comforting to anyone else — the possibility exists that there's a piece of corn on a floor somewhere that will make you just as confused about why you are laughing as you have ever been about why you are depressed. And even if everything still seems like hopeless bullshit, maybe it's just pointless bullshit or weird bullshit or possibly not even bullshit.
I don't know.
But when you're concerned that the miserable, boring wasteland in front of you might stretch all the way into forever, not knowing feels strangely hope-like.
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I've been through all of the things you describe here and recovery is a rollercoaster. You'll feel 'ok' for a bit, then feel down again and think you've gone back to the start, but each time it happens the bad times aren't quite as bad and don't last quite as long, and they get less frequent, and the 'ok' times start being actually ok times, and get more frequent, and one day you'll notice that you're feeling genuinely happy about something.
Sending big hugs to you if you want them, and remember when you have the bad times, that it's not your fault. You didn't choose to be like this. You are not alone in this. You are going to be okay. =)
Genius take on such a touchy subject! Thanks for echoing what many of us have been through..
If being funny has gotten back to a thing you give a shit about yet, be aware --you are still the only person who's gotten me to fall out of my chair laughing. Again. At work.
Glad you're back -hope things continue in a not-bullshit direction.
Yes. That's exactly how it feels.
I wanted out, but I didn't even care enough to leave a note or write it on my face. I was just going to be one of those people that they found 50 years later because somebody wondered what was with that old house in covered up in overgrown brush and weeds.
But I didn't do it because I couldn't even muster up enough effort to try. Guess it turned out ok.
H&1/2 is my corn.
...in that it makes me laugh uncontrollably. But, for other people, I bet, the other way, too. :) Glad you're back.
Thank you SO much for writing and sharing this. You are brilliant!
As someone who has also suffered severe bouts of very very black depression I've got to say this was far too familiar for comfort's sake. I'm sorry about your fish Allie. Mine aren't always alive either. They're kind of Schrödinger's Fish. (The internet would also like you to know that Schrödinger's Fish would make a great band name. We could just stand there like blank walls or we could play music. You won't know till you get there)
Anyway- glad to see you've returned to us, your corn and fish peeps. I hope one day you do feel better. Until then just know that there are a lot of us with deadish fish who totally get what you're saying.
Allie, I am SO glad that you are starting to feel better! All of your blog readers missed you and were concerned about you. I am so very happy that you are back! Keep going!
the cool thing about hope is that its totally based on your choice to believe it so. Hope is the thing you hold onto, like a medicine.
I understand. The corn and I take a lovely little cocktail of modern pharmaceuticals that help the bullshit stink less. The void IS a welcome relief at first. But then, it's just that - void.
Welcome back. You were missed.
your candor is inspiring. validating your own experience, even if it is corn, is so important.
Having been going through Post Partum Depression myself lately, I appreciate this post more than You can know.
Thank you.
Hey! Let me tell you the secret of life: everything really IS all bullshit! Not joking. Things that matter to most people are really actually completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things (and often even in the really petty scheme of things). My tactic for dealing with my own depression has been a left-foot, right-foot sort of approach, to continuing to do things that I feel have value or meaning, which in your case is this awesome blog. Apologies for the well-meaning advice, but at least it isn't hopeful! Rock on and keep writing!!! And post things even if you think they suck, cause all us chumps will probably still like them anyways cause our lives are meaningless and bullshit too :D
Obviously I want to start by saying I'm so happy you sought help and are working on your recovery. Beyond that, I wanted to really thank you for sharing some really amazing insight on what you are going through. My best friend from high school has struggled with depression on and off since high school, and as I'm sure you probably have heard/noticed depression can be really really hard on the people who love the person is depressed too (though obviously not as hard as it is on the depressed person). You absolutely want to help, to "fix it", but it's not in your power to feel for someone else and it makes you feel powerless. It's not fair but it's hard not to think "if they could only just..." even when you know the nature of the problem is that they really can't "just" do whatever it is you think they need. It's something I understood on some level, but your post really helps me understand it in a way I never did before, and I'm very glad you shared it.
From the people I know who have dealt with severe depression, I know it's a long road you're going down. I've also been told that once it has a name, once you have established a support network, things do get more manageable. You will be able to recognize signs sooner, as will probably those closest to you, and you'll already have your lines of support in place.
I wish you the best of luck in your recovery, and remember you can always come here to have people tell you that we like you, even if your fish are dead.
Oh. Wow. Best description of Depression I've ever heard. Especially that hope is nothing more than not knowing. It is enough.
thank you!
I hope this doesn't sound too weird... but this post is seriously one of the greatest things I've ever read. not just because of the clever diction and whit (which are both great and fun to read) - but because it's completely real and raw and like WHAM - "here i'm gonna hit you with some understanding!" -ness. i'm gonna start to ramble but just wanted to say THANKS! i'm sure this wasn't easy to post but I know there are probably TONS of people out there who are very grateful that you did. rock on Allie, thanks for the honesty and awkward humor that, you're right; I did laugh and then feel strange about it...
:)
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I should have known that you would capture depression better than anyone else. Thank you!
Glad you posted this - I've been wondering how you were doing. The dead fish thing is spot-on. Anyway, thanks for sharing this and take care, yo.
Really happy that you're feeling well enough to create again. I hope, for both of us (but probably slightly more you) that you continue to do so.
I have Aspergers - high functioning, but still. All my emotions are... simplistic. Muted. I have the simple emotions of a child, but with no depth. It's a lot like depression, from what you describe, so (as much as I can) I empathize.
I believe you have added "find the corn" (or some variation that will soon come out) to the lexicon of the internet (along with, of course, "all the things"). That's two things, and that, alone, is worth celebrating.
very glad to hear from you again. i've had many of my own pieces of corn, and once in a great, rare while, someone else laughs too. but usually not, and i'm used to it. sometimes the piece of corn is all there is, and that's kind of sad. but i'm sure you know how resilient existing is, and how it doesn't matter how passively you act and how hard you wish to stop living, you just keep going. and sometimes it's totally irritating, but then, well, sometimes...you just keep going to see what the next piece of corn is. it's not horrible.
i hope this post indicates many more posts in the imminent future.
Thanks for the fish. I can now forward this blog to people as an explanation for the last sporadically insane 2 years and 3 months of my life. If it makes you feel any better I had a laughing fit over a pimple that turned out to by a cyst on my face....I'd rather have a piece of corn.
We get you, Allie. We really do. Since stalking is bad, I'm sending out mental "WTF?" thoughts.
Dear: thanks for explaining how I have been feeling for the past 20 years of my 32. You rock! Big big big big hug from Mexico. Sol
thank you for this. i would expound but i'm at work and would start bawling if i even tried. so just thank you thank you thank you. thank you.
Welcome back, you are not alone. :) *hug*
My piece of corn was the movie Lilo and Stitch. It was like I could laugh and see color all at once for the first time in ages.
Welcome back.
Depression is not a monster you fight and win over. It is a storm you get through, even when it has flooded your house, smashed a tree into your roof, and gone away and then decided to come back for round 2.
It is excellent to see you posting again. I wish I could give you some of my feels to make things better, but sadly, feels don't work that way. I think I will be a tiny bit thankful every single time I eat corn from now on though ;)
So, I don't have depression but my family members do, and I really want to thank you for this. You helped me understand them better, and I will no longer spew random positivity in their direction. You are brilliant and I have missed your writing/cartoons so, so much! And I'm so glad that little piece of corn was there for you! <3
Glad you're posting again! I've been through depression off and on too and it sucks and I hope you find a way out of it!
I like your comics. Thank you for sharing this with us, it means a lot.
I've been severely depressed since I had consciousness, and have started realizing that I just don't understand how to Happy. I'm doing much better than when I was trying to jump out of windows or in front of cars as a kid, and today I'm with someone who makes me feel....good? She's great! But whenever thing X occurs which I know should trigger Happy, I get a small swell of UNKNOWN INPUT that my body doesn't understand, and it turns into frustrated confusion that accompanies a sense of lowering normal frustration which I think *might* be Happy. Is Happy where your chest stops hurting and you feel slightly less terrified of breathing?
I'm not sure. It's all very weird.
I could use a corn.
I've been going through waves of depression for what I think are probably years, but recently it's gotten a lot worse. I thought my schedule was too busy and that was making me stressed and anxiety ridden, so I took fewer classes and found myself with a lot of alone time. Alone time sucks even more. I just sit around the house with no desire to do anything. I sit on the internet watching videos I don't particularly feel like watching. One time, I just found myself crying while watching some random YouTube video, and I have no idea why. I knew I didn't want to be doing that, because it wasn't making me happy, but I couldn't think of anything else to do that would make me happy.
Some days are better than others, but I've also had the urge to just not exist at all. I don't want to kill myself, because that sounds like it would hurt, but I would like to just not be for awhile. I still manage to find guilt to make myself feel bad about feeling bad, which is just not very helpful.
The thing that keeps me going during dark times is that I want to be a mom someday. The idea of helping a kid to discover the world and be fascinated by it seems really fulfilling. And maybe that can help me rediscover some of the joy I've lost. And I can't be a mom if I'm not an alive person, so that means I just have to keep going and hope it'll start to feel better at some point.
I really appreciate your analogy to playing with toys at the start of this post. I've been trying really hard to explain to my super positive boyfriend what this feels like, and I haven't really succeeded. Maybe showing him this will help him understand a little better.
Depression sucks and who knows when it will get better, but it helps me to know that I'm not alone. If someone as cool as Allie Brosh can have depression, then maybe that means I'm not a total loser after all! Thanks for posting.
I sobbed through this entire post. I've been there. Your first depression post really hit home because I know what it's like to be depressed without "a reason". After lots of therapy, numerous drugs, and mindless entertainment, I'm finally managing my depression. It is always going to be a struggle, but I'm glad you reached out for help. I've missed this blog. It was one of my favorite sources of joy. However, I'm so glad you're seeking help. Thank you, Allie. Remember how loved you are. We all think you're an amazing person.
Thank you.
See, I would have totally understood it if it was a pea. But corn? That makes no sense.
(Actually, after obsessively checking and rechecking the site to see if anything new had been posted, my eyes went wide when I saw the notice on Facebook. Thanks for 'splaining to all. We needed that.)
I've been starting to feel the same nothing. Thank you for making something that I can share with my friends to try to help them understanding.
My partner has been treated for depression for the past couple of years. I have tried to find his fish so many times, and hadn't realised that isn't the problem. I couldn't understand why yoga and dog walking with some healthy food wouldn't help. Thank you so much for helping me understand what has been going on.
Go help a deprived and desperate community. I know this sounds weurd but you will make a huge difference.
You've illustrated depression better than anyone. I know these feelings. I live them.
Thank you for giving me something I can show to my family and say, "See? *This* is my life."
I nearly pee'd myself about the corn thing.
I'm usually the optimist that tries to get people out of their funk and then gets frustrated when my efforts don't help. Now I know that I should stop that.
So glad that you're back to writing and that you're pointed in the other direction with your bout with depression. Keep on going.
I nodded. And cried. And nodded while I cried. Then I laughed hysterically because I GET THE CORN. Thanks for being able to say this in exactly the right way.
I study to become a psychologist and I have heard so many descriptions about what depression is but all of them very clinical descriptions that doesn't say much of what it actually feels like. Your description of depression was the best description that I have ever come across. Thank you very much, it really touched me; I will spread this blogpost to more people.
ALLIE! :D :D :D
You coming back is the best thing that's happened to me all YEAR. I actually got that feeling you get when you're five years old and it's your birthday AND there's ice cream. I've missed you so much! Hurrah for corn!
*allot of excitement*
You are that shriveled bit of corn for many people. Keep it up.
The whole internet is better when you're on it. Welcome back.
I hope you find many more shriveled up pieces of cloorn. <3
Once again you're nailing it (with a pneumatic nailgun, not some little baby hand held hammer). Right now thousands of people who have gone through a major depression are looking at this and going "Yup".
Your piece of corn was my "labtuf" - http://www.yuriar.com/wp/?p=1395
I've been on meds ever since. My meds keep me even. I still feel, without feelings so extreme I can't handle them -- if that makes sense.
I AM SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR DEAD FISH, ALLIE. And I'm glad you're back.
Not matter what, we still love you, Allie. There could be lots of good symbolism in that shriveled up kernel of golden corn. Maybe you should plant it and see what grows.
Definitely get the corn thing. Although in my case it wasn't corn it was a dog.
Thank you.
You are the kernel of corn underneath my refrigerator.
I saw this on my fb wall. I had no idea what it was going to be about other than depression which I have suffered with since I was in my teens (now 48).
At the end I laughed and then cried.
I totally go along with feeling that I exist for others and find the world an awful place to be. I feel like a total mis-fit.
It doesn't matter to me if you are creepy and capable of finding me, but why would you even want to?
I'm pretty positive you're my spirit animal. Thank you for understanding something I've been trying to explain for months.
My roommate went through this too. Thank you for being brave enough to find the words to explain it.
I get this.
Thanks.
So glad you are starting to feel... something :) we have missed you!
Your sweetcorn reminded me of a time in college when I was young and foolish. I was having an unpleasant trip at a club and decided the safest place was the bathroom floor in a small cubicle. I forced my friend to stay in there (on the floor) with me for a couple of hours. The only thing that kept me from going totally nuts was a small piece of graffiti someone had written on the wall, that said "this place is shit". I stared at it pretty much the whole time and thought it was the funniest thing I had ever seen. Sometimes when chemicals are fucking up our brains, they fight back however they can. Keep fighting back, Brosh brain! We love you!
PS. Kids, don't do recreational drugs! Sitting on a filthy toilet floor for hours isn't very fun.
Well Done! This is not only entertaining but I think you are really helping a lot of people with this post. That's something to maybe feel good about.
I get why the corn is funny. I'm glad you didn't kill yourself. I pray that someday you will find something in life that makes all of the meaningless bullshit worthwhile.
Typing this out, I probably look like a dick, but I think you will know how I mean it. Since we've been in the same snowglobe of despair and nothing.
Oops..' I truly have*been* there.... (damn autocorrect)
Hillary, I just read your comment about your friend...my heart is breaking. I'm so sorry for your loss ((cyber-hugs))
You are absolutely brilliant. As a fellow sufferer/ennui-creator/dead fish waver/survivor, I am so relieved and happy to hear from you again!
If you ever feel suicidal again, imagine all of us, hundreds of thousands by this point, thinking so fondly of you like that dog does. You owe it to us to keep fighting, no matter how tiresome it gets, okay? (I know, creepy and cheesy, but a mind like yours is brilliant enough to fool you into any old excuse to die. That's the cruelest part about bright people getting depressed. Sometimes guilt tripping is the only thing that works.)
Thanks for the fish. I might forward this to all the people who have been around for the last sporadically insane 2 years and 3 months of my life. If it makes you feel any better I had a laughing fit about a pimple that turned out to be a cyst on my face... it sort of turned things around for me, especially because it lives on my face and I have to see it all of the time.
Thank you for this, and for posting again.
I was thinking about you in the shower just yesterday. No, not like, creepy, but seriously. I thought "hey, what happened to the web cartoon girl with the crazy dog that was going though some bad depression? Wonder if she's ok?" So, yeah, that's awesome that you're kinda sorta slightly better? High 5?
Allie, you're brilliant. This is amazing. I've been worried about you and am SO glad you're back.
You say this so well. <3 <3 <3
Thank you so much for doing this. I love your blog, but never more than this. I (like lots of the other people leaving their comments) can totally relate, and it's really refreshing to see it laid out way that might help those who *dont* relate understand a little better what the rest of us are going through.
I can't remember what my piece of corn was, but I understand pretty much every part of this story. I'm also shocked by how your under-fridge can have a lonely piece of shriveled corn. That's probably the funniest part to me. Under my fridge, NOTHING is lonely. It's a party down there.
I'm so glad you didn't give up. Take your time, we'll all still be here.
You are a genius and we all love you.
Brilliant, That is exactly how i would describe my depression if i was as good with words as you are...Thanks for sharing
It is SO good to hear from you again. Brilliance, as always. :)
You are the best thing to happen to the internet ever.
I think the corn is funny. You don't have to explain.
Again, Glad to hear you are back. hope you are feeling better and getting better. Wishing you the best!
Oh, and thanks for having planes like you promised :)
I'm still waiting for my corn.
I need you to know how much I fucking love you right now, okay? I'm not going to sit here and be like yOURE BAkcj! like everyone else cause for all I know you're going to disappear again for over a year, and that's fine. I like your internet presence but internet strangers liking your posts isnt even close to being important. The content of the last two posts have also been a good description of my life since before you posted them, and I can't even imagine how you mustered up the energy to make them because most of the time I am so fucking useless I can't even feed myself because I'll just get pissed off about it, so if you can't manage to make another one for a long-ass time I am so okay with that.
But I've reached both the no-feelings and the hate-everything phase and I just don't give a shit anymore about explaining to people what that feels like, or doesn't feel like, or why I don't just go eat something if I'm so hungry. But if I want to, ever, I will just show them this post. And I am going to show everyone this post anyway because I was just talking about how much those optimistic bullshitty platitudes really have started to offend me and nobody could understand why I was taking it so personally. It went from this barrage of "Why dont you just BE happy??? Just stop thinking negative thoughts! Just do yoga! Why are you doing this!!!" To "Well maybe all that stuff isnt about you anyway why are you so selfcentered????" Like what???? 99% of the time I'm pretty sure that neurologically healthy people are stupider than the parts of my brain that are actually trying to kill me instead of keep me alive. Nobody ever lets you talk about what's actually happening unless it's to tell you how fucking wrong and stupid you are for looking at the not-bright-side.
This turned into a big stupid rant that doesn't belong here but I'm going to post it anyway because I don't fucking give a shit. I love you and I love your posts and I know that you don't have feelings and this comment means nothing and you probably won't even see it, but I hope that you find more dusty little pieces of corn and eventually stop wanting to die, cause there are very few people in the world who deserve to feel that way and you aren't one of them. Thank you so much for verbalizing my problems for me also. So that I don't have to, but also because it hits so close to home that I was crying while I was reading this and for some reason sobbing over pictures of a dog saying "BREAUTficuL?" because this post is just like my whole life what is this am i feeling something other than rage again???? just was something I needed right now. Cause I have been trying very hard how to word all of this to people like my mom and my roommate and whoever else and I just don't care enough about how concerned they are to do it. But there's enough of a human being left inside me somewhere to know that this is a good thing and you caused it. You did a thing. It was for me but it was a thing you did still so yes thank you I love you and also think you a breautiful and great.
How I feel about you being back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B2uJoVEwbmc
So great to see you back! Thanks for sharing your experience through interpretive dead fish. That analogy actually makes absolute sense. Oh, and if that last rainbow image were to somehow end up on a mug, I'd buy three! :)
Welcome back. You've been sorely missed. And I can't believe that nobody has likened "the tiny shrivelled corn = laughter" to a literal "corny joke" yet. I get to be first!
The fish analogy? Brilliant. Thank you for helping me understand depression a bit better. (Intellectually I get it, but I'm not a sufferer, just a carrier. ;-))
I'm glad you had a dog to keep you from acting on those suicidal impulses.
You are a glorious human being.
Thank you for doing this and please please PLEASE continue to post.
What Lori Loo (5-09-13 at 8:56 AM) said.
Also, I'm pretty sure I am making the "yay" face on your behalf.
So feckin' glad you're back. Thank you. And yeah, the dead fish hits it right on the head.
At least it was corn and not a Pea!
Thanks for posting this. It makes me feel like I understand better what my ex was going through and why I couldn't help.
So I really really really needed this. Thank you so much. I hope that things are getting better for you!
Thank you so much for being here still. I can't tell you what it means to me. And to see this so well explained. Thank you.
You're brilliant. This post is a brilliant description of depression. Thank you, and so happy you're back!
You explain this better than I have ever seen. As someone who has gotten too close to that wasteland before, it's nice to finally have a definition with pictures to show someone of what I am talking about.
This is exactly what I needed at this point in my life. I especially like the evolved fish who climbs out of the water saying, "not today, I've got legs, motherfucker!" Like maybe I should get that tattooed somewhere.... maybe not. Thanks so much. The posts about depression have articulated for me what I haven't been able to articulate to my loved ones.
Perfect post is PERFECT. I'm so glad that you're still here on earth with us. You are obviously such a talent and we need you and love you.
It's weird after suffering from the lovely and talented dysthymia punctuated by major depressive episodes most of my life--I am only beginning to really see see all this shit as an actual disease. Of course right now my meds are working pretty well.
Anyway your post is really wonderful. I hope you feel, and feel better. Sorry about the fish.
Glag you are back, this whole thing make a lot in my own life make sence. Made me laugh a lot too.
Jubilation. Seriously.
Halfway through this I started to cry. I think it is because someone finally understood what my depression felt like. I could point to something and say, "YES THIS IS WHAT IT IS LIKE."
There is a lot of comfort in knowing that someone else understands and I can say I do. I'm not 100% better but I too am getting there.
Anyway, I'm sorry about how dead your fish are. :(
You describe all this so well. I am so pleased to see a post by you, it's hilarious and poignant as usual and it stretched my brain. I've not experienced these feelings (or lack thereof) to the extent you describe so i am glad to have a better understanding of it, and very very glad to see you back and at least feeling a little better than before. I hope things improve xoxo
I'm sorry your fish were so utterly dead and I'm really happy you found that piece of corn.
I am SO glad you're back! You have managed to make me laugh through tears; I know exactly what you have been experiencing. You are amazing--never forget that!
The corn was my favourite part. I totally get why it was funny. Inanimate objects sitting there looking shrivelled up and alone and pathetic and miserable crack me up, for real.
Welcome back! You are brilliant and hilarious and I have missed you.
Many warm wishes for bullshit-free, hopeful days in your future.
Thank you for knowing every single thing I have thought/ felt for the last 19ish years.
And for being able to actually put it into words and drawings that someone who doesn't think or feel these things might understand.
I have never been able to do that. ♥
My infinite laugh cycle is initiated by the word "cornfused." Which seems perfect here.
You've done something pretty amazing here, and have let those of us who don't really understand depression see it a little more clearly. I wish you all the best. Lots of love to you.
Chemical imbalance exacerbated by alcohol (depressant), drugs (prescription and otherwise-dr.s dont know what the f#%k they're doing) and lack of vital nutritional elements... plus... talking about the big picture... the "fall from grace" or programmed belief that we are somehow separate from our Source... the manipulations to DNA... the "free will" paradigm that let humans go ape shit on the do whatever the f#%k you want front... without a clue about the long term effects of our actions... FOR EONS... Yeah... talk about a cluster F35k of a bullshit paradigm!! The good news... you can pretty much ignore it all and create your own peaceful reality "outside" the box. And yes... shit like supplements, nutritious food, meditation, yoga, Tai Chi, non-judgement and positive visualization, dumping the negative drama queeen energy sucking vampires from your life, quitting that f#%ked up job and living simply, spending time in nature... and seeing the silver lining/light in everyone and everything... actually work. PEACE
You totally experienced the Cosmic Joke, Allie!!! Welcome back! ♥
This is amazing. It is absolutely the most well-written piece on depression I have ever read. Thank you for sharing it.
You DID make me laugh, and I'm ok with that! You also made me better understand how to NOT be that optimistic overbearing A-hole who tries to fix someone with depression. Thanks for being so honest. Few people are.
i keep fidning these posts when i am at my Lowest Points and i cannot describe the feeling it gives me except better. things are bad for me but these things are always good. thank you for always giving me good things.
i think next time i feel like i can not look forward to anything i will look forward to these.
I think people who have never experienced depression, or have never really watched someone suffering with it, should be required to read this page.
This post is brilliant and funny for all the most unexpected reasons. Anyone who HAS watched someone go through deep depression, or has experienced it themselves, understands every word of this.
Echoing everything everybody else said. Missed you!
Thank you for being you and describing what I feel every day in a way I never could.
Welcome back, Allie. From a fellow woman who struggles with depression also, I absolutely adore how you are able to put into words and pictures the truth of depression. With planes, dinosaurs and corn. It's beautiful.
It was both extremely hard and liberating to read this. I think this is the first accurate description of depression I have read and the most realistic way of how to go on. I have been trying to support a friend that is going through several stages of depression at the moment and I had no idea of how to explain her that yes, not everything needs to make sense, and yes, maybe nothing really matters, but that can be a positive thing. If nothing matters, then why bother? You can do whatever the hell you want. I coexisted with depression for many years, and I am happy to say that yes, there is an end to the desert. It won't be all sunshines and galloping unicorns, but it's okay. I don't even remember what made me wake up years ago from the same numbness and nothingness, but probably it was something like the corn. Maybe a bug, I really can't remember. In any case, I'm glad you're back. Also, thank you for this post. I've already sent it to my friend
You lady...I hope You are my shriveled bit of underfridge corn.
heh heh heh kernal of hope...
heh
Yah...Yah...I read this and giggled and cried and I know that's a bit insane but it's not because I giggled and cried because I get it. Which probably makes me a tad 'insane' by textbooks but I'm not, really. So...yah.
thanks for sharing this. Seriously...thank you.
Allie, thank you for posting again, we we're worried about you & praying for you! And I think it's totally normal to laugh at a piece of corn, because sometimes the humor of the universe manifests itself in the items resting unimportant beneath the fridge. As someone who was depressed for 8 years, this post is perfect & it sounds like there are a lot of us depressed kids stalking you over the internet... Also, there is light at the end of the tunnel. But also, it usually manages to get worse before it gets better, even when everyone tells you it cant get worse and even when you start to believe them. So-- insert stupid cliche inspirational quote that will piss you off and not mean anything until you're like 62. Girl, I love ya.
Obviously I'm not where you were now, but I have been. It's obvious because I feel scared about the fact that I could relate to what you were saying about not feeling. So that's a good thing, because feeling scared is better than not feeling at all. "No matter how badly I feel, at least I can feel".
Waiting for color and flavor returns to your world, Allie.
Thank you so much for this. I don't know if you're "back" or if you'll keep finding yourself extending your break while you concentrate on yourself (the most important thing) -- but thank you for posting this and helping all the rest of us understand much better.
And I did laugh at the corn. I really, really did.
I've never commented on someone's blog before (it's sort of weird to write to people you don't know), but I wanted to say that I think you are a genius.
Dude, I'm sorry about your fish. That really sucks and I definitely still like you.
The corn situation gives me a hope-like feel and not the strangle-you-until-the-brink-of-death-and-then-release type of hope feel. That's a pretty big something. So thanks.
Hi Allie, Welcome back and thank you for sharing your story. Jenny at the Bloggess (not me, same name is a coincidence) suffers from depression and blogs about it sometimes, so I thought that might give you another blogger to talk to about it, if you feel the need to talk to someone about it who is going through a similar journey. Take care <3
This made me cry because I have been struggling with the same thing for most of my life. While it probably doesn't help you to know this, and you can see this evidenced here, we all love and missed you. Hang in there. That's the best piece of advice I can give to you.
It is exactly right and so helpful. Welcome back and best of luck!
This is amazing, and I'm immediately sharing it with all of my loved ones. This is exactly what I've gone through, and I've never been able to explain it nearly as well as you did. So glad to have you back!
I just lost a dear friend to depression and suicide. Thank you for publishing this brilliant piece of writing on the subject. It actually makes me feel better.
You put into words what I never could to my therapist for so many years. Specifically, however, the part about wanting to be dead, but not wanting to kill yourself. I think I worded it as "I just want to stop existing. Not die, not kill myself. Just not exist."
I'm glad you wrote this piece. I don't know if you're *back* back, or if you're still on somewhat of a hiatus, but either way, it's good to know that you're working on things.
Be well, Allie Brosh.
Whelp, you nailed the description. My upturn was slightly different, I found the woman who is now my wife and she gets my "off days" and accommodates for it. Not as funny as yours but yeah. Good to see you back, the internet hasn't been the same without you, alot's EVERYWHERE!
Just wait until the day you look up, notice the sky is blue, and not only does that not seem horrible, you are suddenly overwhelmed with how beautiful it is.
It will come. It's come for me, well, several times. It just takes awhile to get there, but is amazing when it happens.
In honor of your return, let me offer you the gift of a french corn commercial about a sad piece of corn left out of a mixed salad.
http://www.ina.fr/video/PUB2346272091
I've never heard a more accurate explanation of clinical depression and all of its quirks. Thank you for posting this.
The corn IS hilarious.... Maybe it's all bullshit, maybe it isn't. The only thing we can do is what we do. You draw comics from your heart and hilarious brain. And that obviously hits a chord with a lot of people. And if even one of those people does something they do because they were uplifted by what you did, I don't see how that could be bullshit. That's immortality.
Brilliant. Thank you.
Yep. I totally get it. Thank you.
I'm so happy you're back! I discovered your blog only after you left, and I've missed you o much, and I was so worried, and I think you're the greatest even though you don't even know me. When I read your blogs, it feels like we're friends.
A brilliant description of depression - I hate that you were stuck in it for so long and am so glad for you that things are better, even if still slightly crappy. FWIW, the angry-faced-Allie-in-the-hoodie picture made me laugh out loud. Kudos to you for being so awesome at your job even while sick.
OMG HOW CAN YOU SEE INSIDE MY MIND.
Absolutely what I needed today. Thank you!
It's your uni-corn!
Between this and the first part, I don't think I've ever seen depression explained so well. I mean, yes, I know all these things from experience, but I could never put it in words (or pictures) like this.
Thank you.
I read this and started crying because you put into words things I've experienced but never really saw from an outside perspective before. I always thought the numbness meant I was "better". But, no. It's just numbness. The way you described it felt so true and so exactly what I went though and am terrified of falling into again.
I'm glad you're coming out of it. I hope it continues. Maybe everything isn't bullshit.
I feel a little bit guilty for laughing with this! I'm one of those annoying people that try to help people who are depressed. Most of the time I'm a very happy person but I can relate to some things you've written down here. I Feel like I'm in a manic depression sometimes... Anyhow, I love your post and I hope you can feel happiness again soon! ;) Music always helps me when I'm feeling down, so here's one that just made my day! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2r1G89_M1s
Nice to see you here. I, like many commenters here, can totally relate. There is a an overwhelming amount of feelings, and then none at all. I did not feel anything for a long time. Now after some therapy and medication, I do feel again, but I think my feelings are more muted. I don't have the same range of emotion I use to have, but it is way better than feeling like shit all the time.
Cheers!
"I don't necessarily want to KILL myself...I just want to become dead somehow." Completely accurate. Bravo for writing about this.
Here is my corn story: the weather was dark and gloomy. Rain storms were everywhere, and lightning was lighting up the sky. In fact, a small plane was taken out by mother nature and crashed into a house and injured a family... killed the pilot. Sad, right? So, after watching this horrible news that I gave less than two shits about... I went outside with a friend to fill our lungs with sweet sweet nicotine. As we stood in silence, he finally says, " Well... looks like plane crashing weather."
I laughed for an hour straight, and still laugh to this day.
This is so great! As someone going through yet another episode of depression, I definitely relate to this. I also appreciate that you're trying to explain the feelings in ways that people who are unfamiliar with depression understand; it's a very difficult task and you did an amazing job :)
Thanks for this and for your bravery- sharing this shit is hard! Keep moving!
It is almost scary how well you can describe what's been in my head. This is one of the best things I've ever read on depression, and I've read a lot of them. Thank you.
Welcome back to this side of the wasteland. May the corn be with you. Or something like that. I've had hysterical laughter like that. It's almost as scary as not laughing. I've never been suicidal. I have a friend right now who is. I think she's at the part where you reach the edge of the wasteland and realize that holy shit you have to slog back. Your post will help her and others like her a hell of a lot more than the barrage of forced positivity that you encountered.
i laughed until i cried about the damn corn! ive had that happen to me so many times after coming out of a "funk"
thank you for the fish metaphor. I needed that today. Thank you also for talking about just crying - for no fucking reason.
One of the greatest things I've ever read, thank you so very much for posting this. Covers almost the exact same path that I followed when depressed. I found myself laughing at the most inconsequential things in the world and I rediscovered what joy feels like. I felt mad but it didn't matter as it was a respite from the self hate. Now I revel in the fact that nothing matters whereas before it would send me into a spiral of self hate. So again, thank you so, so, so much for this post.
just want to be dead somehow... wow that nails it! thank you so much for this post...
I can totally relate to your story and how you have been feeling...thank you so much for being brave enough to share it. No doubt you have helped many people feel less alone, and put words to something that is unexplainable (in the brilliant, humorous way you do). I wish you the best of luck in your ongoing battle, and I hope you find many more pieces of corn in the coming days.
Glad to have you back!
Allie, I just want you to know that at one point in my life a few years ago, you were my piece of corn. Thank you.
The best description of what depression feels like that I've ever read. The recognition that others have felt the same is comforting and affirming. The humor is dead on. Thank you!
Love you Allie, as much as you can love a person over the internet. The pressure to make a post that we love, when you both care and don't care, sounds like a lot of pressure. Good thing is, you could post a photo of a spider and we would all love it. Humans are horrible and wonderful all at once. We're in it with you. So many of us also both hate and love life and sometimes want to just go to sleep. But we keep going. And then revel in H & a half. And laugh at corn. <3
I laughed at your shrivelly corn. :)
I'm not going to lie the "lauging at corn" thing was *spot on* I've been there(I have bipolar type 2, so not quite the same but I get some of where you're coming from) It's good to see you again.
You've described it so perfectly, and maybe, maybe I can find the way to look for my own piece of corn. Thank you, Allie.
After reading this, I feel a bit like crying, and then laughing, but mostly I'm very glad you're back. My family and I greatly appreciate your work. Thanks for letting us all know how you are, and we hope you keep feeling better.
You are loved....alot;)
From what I can tell, I think you and I are about in the same stage of depression recovery. It was pretty wonderful because my boyfriend read this, and then I read this (and some of these things I have said word for word) and I kept saying Boyfriend, do you remember my hate everything phase?? do you remember my crying phase?? And then I got to the part about laughter and just about cried from the accuracy. Thank you for putting this in words my loved ones could better understand, as well as helping me put my life in perspective to someone else's!
wow great job Allie, it's hard to communicate with people how depression feels. That whole "That solution is for a different problem than the one I have" line is something I've wanted to tell so many people during my bouts with depression. Also, you had me laughing so much at the description of telling someone you're suicidal. It was so well put!
you've articulated something unarticulatable (I know that isn't really a word). Thank you for that. I hope you find more corn-like moments.
Don't have much to add that others haven't. Thank you for posting this, glad you are back! Now I am hoping to find my piece of corn. But since I haven't, here's an emoticon of Abe Lincoln:
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You pretty much described the last few years for me. Feeling nothing sucks and then when you start feeling again it's soooo weird because you're not used to it and you're all "what are these things in my brain?" Glad you found your shriveled piece of corn. We could all use some.
My husband and I were so excited to see you are back and well. I believe my exact response was, "YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want you to know I've been in a place similar to where you are. It will get better. Just getting past wanting to not exist is a huge step. I know. I passed by it myself.
And this was funny. And I do feel weird about laughing. So, thank you for that :-)
This is the best thing ever. I'm so glad you're back and still alive, and I'm sorry your metaphorical fish died.
I've never posted before but I've thought of you so many times since your last post. I'm glad you were able to post today and hope you will keep getting better and keep posting. The way you told this story was brilliant and I can totally understand funny corn. And I'm glad you found it. <3
Thank you for this post. It is beautiful and nearly made me feel a feeling while reading about lack of feelings. Unfortunately it was fear, but it went away quickly. I know how have a piece of corn in my future to find.
I loved it! Mainly because I know exactly what you mean! Being depressed sucks.. Hope things get better for you!
For what it's worth, you and your blog are a shrivelled piece of corn for me and for others I know. Way to be corn.
That is the most accurate and elegant description of crushing depression I've ever heard. Thank you for sharing your journey and I hope the happy keeps coming back for you!
Truly don't think I've ever read anything about depression that made me actually GET it. You can bet your ass that I'm going to think of that dead fish metaphor every time I interact with someone who is depressed. Thank you for this.
Must be totally weird to be where you are and (as of my comment) have 2331+ people telling you how amazing you are. All I can think is, "Am I telling her how beautiful her dead fish are right now?" I wonder what your brain will do with all the love you get from sharing with us. I hope it gives you something positive to hold onto... maybe one step in the directions to the pet shop where you can buy new fish.
And now I will leave the dead fish metaphor alone. Even though clearly I find it brilliant.
xoxo
Today my husband woke me up saying, "Allie's back! Allie Brosh is posting again! It's depression part two!"
Only you could make a story about depression both enlightening and funny. Thank you for making this for us, Allie. We love you and we're ecstatic/relieved that you've decided to go on living and sharing.
This. Absolutely this. This, with postpartum hormones, two screaming infants, and a bridge that tempted me twice a day during my commute.
"Having feelings AT me." Yes.
And mine wasn't a shriveled, solitary piece of corn, but close enough.
I trudged through it for a few years and made it out on the other side. I hope everyone who finds this post as spot-on as I did will, too.
Great writing, you really hit the nail on the head.
Oh man, I relate to ALL of this. It really sucks when you're depressed and you want to be better for the people who care about you, but you just find everything they tell you completely annoying and wrong. I am right there with you - yesterday I started taking medication, but I have a long road ahead of me. I was so encouraged by your reminder that this is a process and it can take a long time, but it can get better. I love you Allie (not in a creepy way) because I feel like we would be such close friends if we knew each other IRL. :) Some days I would read your blog and swear you are telepathically writing about my life. You probably get that a lot, but I just want you to know there is someone else out there who identifies with you. I hope you continue to feel more and more like yourself everyday. Thanks for being brave enough to share this - it really helped me today. :)
Haha...it was funny but so sad! I can't explain how this made me feel! Glad you are beck!! :D) Yes that smiley face has a big nose his name is Ted.
I have a Lone Sheep Surveying Its Territory. It is made out of 5 Legos. It may be corn's counterpart, except it is always placed high. To survey its territory.
You aren't necessarily looking for solutions. You're maybe just looking for someone to say "sorry about how dead your fish are" or "wow, those are super dead. I still like you, though."
This is so accurate it hurts. Because no one will say that.
Anyway, I'm glad you at least found a piece of corn.
http://i.imgur.com/Dc7exGI.gif
This is perfect and I'm so glad you're back and feeling better!!!
Yeah, that is my life right now in spades. I try not to talk to people about it because it makes them uncomfortable. I keep on existing because the alternative frightens me, and that is more or less the only feeling other than frustration I have been capable of feeling in a long time.
I am so glad you have posted this. As others have said, your depiction of depression is so much more spot on than anything and really resonates with me and my experience.
My corn moment was playing Portal. It was free and everyone was raving about it and telling me how much I would enjoy it, so I thought why not. I had been on meds for a few weeks and they hadn't had an impact but then, as I worked my way through levels and solved puzzles, I suddenly realized I felt chuffed with myself. It was the most amazing thing I have every felt :)
Thank you <3
YAYYYYYYYYYYY you have returned!!
You're back!! :D I've missed you and your incredibly relatable and hilarious posts. Also, this post helped me explain (finally..) my random periods of non-emotion or over-emotion.
thanks for the corn
Not enough words available to say how good it is to see you writing again! Thank you especially for this post; you said it far better than most. Keep going.
like so many others, i can completely relate to this narrative and i sincerely thank you for putting the perfect words to this torture that so many of us live with every day with no end in sight. one unrelenting wave after another of pounding surf knocking you off your feet. not enough to drown you, just enough to keep you gasping for air, enough to give you a tiny glimmer of hope that you'll be able to stand and walk out of the tumult, only to smash it again with another surge. your image of the dog 'loving you' made me absolutely burst into tears. if it wasn't for my two sweet, fluffy kitties loving and needing me, i doubt i'd still be here.
This was a great blog! We have all been in a funk lately and some of us haven't been able to snap out of it. I am really wondering if it is some type of international/earth thing because I know sooo many people who have been in a funk for like 5 months- some have actually tried to commit suicide and others have just basically dropped out of the public eye. Thanks for writing this! People need to know that this can pass- but sometimes people just need to back off and let things work out however they work out!
This is amazing. You are amazing.
This is amazing. You are amazing.
This is amazing. You are amazing.
I've also dealt with depression and think this is the best description I have ever heard of what it is like. I hope you find what you are looking for!
Well done. Well done. Well done.
I love you so much.
Like so many others, I find this post and the previous post maybe the best description of what it is like to be in the throes of deep depression. It's hard for someone who has not experienced it to understand what it is like, and that you really can't just turn it off somehow. Like many other fans i was worried about you after your last post and I am so glad you are finding your way out. I can't promise that you will stop feeling like everything is bullshit, but I did, eventually.
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