Depression Part Two

I remember being endlessly entertained by the adventures of my toys. Some days they died repeated, violent deaths, other days they traveled to space or discussed my swim lessons and how I absolutely should be allowed in the deep end of the pool, especially since I was such a talented doggy-paddler.


I didn't understand why it was fun for me, it just was.


But as I grew older, it became harder and harder to access that expansive imaginary space that made my toys fun. I remember looking at them and feeling sort of frustrated and confused that things weren't the same.


I played out all the same story lines that had been fun before, but the meaning had disappeared. Horse's Big Space Adventure transformed into holding a plastic horse in the air, hoping it would somehow be enjoyable for me. Prehistoric Crazy-Bus Death Ride was just smashing a toy bus full of dinosaurs into the wall while feeling sort of bored and unfulfilled.  I could no longer connect to my toys in a way that allowed me to participate in the experience.


Depression feels almost exactly like that, except about everything.

At first, though, the invulnerability that accompanied the detachment was exhilarating. At least as exhilarating as something can be without involving real emotions.


The beginning of my depression had been nothing but feelings, so the emotional deadening that followed was a welcome relief.  I had always wanted to not give a fuck about anything. I viewed feelings as a weakness — annoying obstacles on my quest for total power over myself. And I finally didn't have to feel them anymore.

But my experiences slowly flattened and blended together until it became obvious that there's a huge difference between not giving a fuck and not being able to give a fuck. Cognitively, you might know that different things are happening to you, but they don't feel very different.


Which leads to horrible, soul-decaying boredom.



I tried to get out more, but most fun activities just left me existentially confused or frustrated with my inability to enjoy them.


Months oozed by, and I gradually came to accept that maybe enjoyment was not a thing I got to feel anymore. I didn't want anyone to know, though. I was still sort of uncomfortable about how bored and detached I felt around other people, and I was still holding out hope that the whole thing would spontaneously work itself out. As long as I could manage to not alienate anyone, everything might be okay!

However, I could no longer rely on genuine emotion to generate facial expressions, and when you have to spend every social interaction consciously manipulating your face into shapes that are only approximately the right ones, alienating people is inevitable.


Everyone noticed.


It's weird for people who still have feelings to be around depressed people. They try to help you have feelings again so things can go back to normal, and it's frustrating for them when that doesn't happen. From their perspective, it seems like there has got to be some untapped source of happiness within you that you've simply lost track of, and if you could just see how beautiful things are...


At first, I'd try to explain that it's not really negativity or sadness anymore, it's more just this detached, meaningless fog where you can't feel anything about anything — even the things you love, even fun things — and you're horribly bored and lonely, but since you've lost your ability to connect with any of the things that would normally make you feel less bored and lonely, you're stuck in the boring, lonely, meaningless void without anything to distract you from how boring, lonely, and meaningless it is.


But people want to help. So they try harder to make you feel hopeful and positive about the situation. You explain it again, hoping they'll try a less hope-centric approach, but re-explaining your total inability to experience joy inevitably sounds kind of negative; like maybe you WANT to be depressed. The positivity starts coming out in a spray — a giant, desperate happiness sprinkler pointed directly at your face. And it keeps going like that until you're having this weird argument where you're trying to convince the person that you are far too hopeless for hope just so they'll give up on their optimism crusade and let you go back to feeling bored and lonely by yourself.


And that's the most frustrating thing about depression. It isn't always something you can fight back against with hope. It isn't even something — it's nothing. And you can't combat nothing. You can't fill it up. You can't cover it. It's just there, pulling the meaning out of everything. That being the case, all the hopeful, proactive solutions start to sound completely insane in contrast to the scope of the problem.

It would be like having a bunch of dead fish, but no one around you will acknowledge that the fish are dead. Instead, they offer to help you look for the fish or try to help you figure out why they disappeared.


The problem might not even have a solution. But you aren't necessarily looking for solutions. You're maybe just looking for someone to say "sorry about how dead your fish are" or "wow, those are super dead. I still like you, though."


I started spending more time alone.


Perhaps it was because I lacked the emotional depth necessary to panic, or maybe my predicament didn't feel dramatic enough to make me suspicious, but I somehow managed to convince myself that everything was still under my control right up until I noticed myself wishing that nothing loved me so I wouldn't feel obligated to keep existing.


It's a strange moment when you realize that you don't want to be alive anymore. If I had feelings, I'm sure I would have felt surprised. I have spent the vast majority of my life actively attempting to survive. Ever since my most distant single-celled ancestor squiggled into existence, there has been an unbroken chain of things that wanted to stick around.


Yet there I was, casually wishing that I could stop existing in the same way you'd want to leave an empty room or mute an unbearably repetitive noise.


That wasn't the worst part, though. The worst part was deciding to keep going.


When I say that deciding to not kill myself was the worst part, I should clarify that I don't mean it in a retrospective sense. From where I am now, it seems like a solid enough decision. But at the time, it felt like I had been dragging myself through the most miserable, endless wasteland, and — far in the distance — I had seen the promising glimmer of a slightly less miserable wasteland. And for just a moment, I thought maybe I'd be able to stop and rest. But as soon as I arrived at the border of the less miserable wasteland, I found out that I'd have to turn around and walk back the other way.


Soon afterward, I discovered that there's no tactful or comfortable way to inform other people that you might be suicidal. And there's definitely no way to ask for help casually.


I didn't want it to be a big deal. However, it's an alarming subject. Trying to be nonchalant about it just makes it weird for everyone.


I was also extremely ill-prepared for the position of comforting people. The things that seemed reassuring at the time weren't necessarily comforting for others.


I had so very few feelings, and everyone else had so many, and it felt like they were having all of them in front of me at once. I didn't really know what to do, so I agreed to see a doctor so that everyone would stop having all of their feelings at me.


The next few weeks were a haze of talking to relentlessly hopeful people about my feelings that didn't exist so I could be prescribed medication that might help me have them again.


And every direction was bullshit for a really long time, especially up. The absurdity of working so hard to continue doing something you don't like can be overwhelming. And the longer it takes to feel different, the more it starts to seem like everything might actually be hopeless bullshit.


My feelings did start to return eventually. But not all of them came back, and they didn't arrive symmetrically.

I had not been able to care for a very long time, and when I finally started being able to care about things again, I HATED them. But hatred is technically a feeling, and my brain latched onto it like a child learning a new word.


Hating everything made all the positivity and hope feel even more unpalatable. The syrupy, over-simplified optimism started to feel almost offensive.


Thankfully, I rediscovered crying just before I got sick of hating things.  I call this emotion "crying" and not "sadness" because that's all it really was. Just crying for the sake of crying. My brain had partially learned how to be sad again, but it took the feeling out for a joy ride before it had learned how to use the brakes or steer.


At some point during this phase, I was crying on the kitchen floor for no reason. As was common practice during bouts of floor-crying, I was staring straight ahead at nothing in particular and feeling sort of weird about myself. Then, through the film of tears and nothingness, I spotted a tiny, shriveled piece of corn under the refrigerator.


I don't claim to know why this happened, but when I saw the piece of corn, something snapped. And then that thing twisted through a few permutations of logic that I don't understand, and produced the most confusing bout of uncontrollable, debilitating laughter that I have ever experienced.


I had absolutely no idea what was going on.


My brain had apparently been storing every unfelt scrap of happiness from the last nineteen months, and it had impulsively decided to unleash all of it at once in what would appear to be an act of vengeance.


That piece of corn is the funniest thing I have ever seen, and I cannot explain to anyone why it's funny. I don't even know why. If someone ever asks me "what was the exact moment where things started to feel slightly less shitty?" instead of telling a nice, heartwarming story about the support of the people who loved and believed in me, I'm going to have to tell them about the piece of corn. And then I'm going to have to try to explain that no, really, it was funny. Because, see, the way the corn was sitting on the floor... it was so alone... and it was just sitting there! And no matter how I explain it, I'll get the same, confused look. So maybe I'll try to show them the piece of corn - to see if they get it. They won't. Things will get even weirder.


Anyway, I wanted to end this on a hopeful, positive note, but, seeing as how my sense of hope and positivity is still shrouded in a thick layer of feeling like hope and positivity are bullshit, I'll just say this: Nobody can guarantee that it's going to be okay, but — and I don't know if this will be comforting to anyone else — the possibility exists that there's a piece of corn on a floor somewhere that will make you just as confused about why you are laughing as you have ever been about why you are depressed. And even if everything still seems like hopeless bullshit, maybe it's just pointless bullshit or weird bullshit or possibly not even bullshit.


I don't know. 

But when you're concerned that the miserable, boring wasteland in front of you might stretch all the way into forever, not knowing feels strangely hope-like. 






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LIsa Victoria said...

Thank you for coming back and sharing your piece of corn. Hugs.

Anonymous said...

love you Allie. Wonderful wonderful post.

Jstar said...

i've been there except my deepest days were full of self loathing instead of nothingness. i take medication now (which i hate) but i have to function. it beats it back to the fringes where it tries to bleed in once in a while but most of the time i feel REAL. i hope you get there soon. being an adult just SUCKS sometimes.

Gloria said...

I don't have anything new to add but I really wanted to say thank you for this post. I've been there and just wanted you to know that you weren't alone. I hope you keep finding your corn every day.

Jen S. said...

Thanks so much for this. It really is true that progress is measured in the space between putting down the dead fish and picking up the dessicated corn kernel.
I hope you post more!

Joanne said...

I've read your blog for a long time and this is the first time I've commented.

This is also the first time that I have read something that hits what we go through right on the head. Not just me identifying with bits and pieces... but all of it. I'm also at the stage where it may or may not get better, but that's better than thinking it will never get better. I read this simultaneously laughing and crying. Your fish may have died but we like you anyway.

Anonymous said...

My wife suffers from depression. I thought I had to be the hopey dopey guy, and keep trying to fix her. It took me a long time to figure out that the best thing was for me to hold her when she asked me too, and then stop when she'd had enough.

I'm glad you've posted again. I choose to imagine it's because it helps you. Honestly though, I'm glad because it helps me understand a little about what I need to do to be a better husband for my wife. To hear the things she can't find a way to tell me. To tell her I'm sorry her fish are dead, but I still love her.

So thanks. Take care.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this outstanding post. Until today I thought there was no way to express these thoughts and feelings in a way that other people who don't suffer from this affliction could understand. I'm so glad that you proved me wrong.

Anonymous said...

Suffered from post natal depression a few years back. These posts are so accurate. My story went along the lines of stress>sadness>despair>numbness>blackness.... Somewhere in the blackness I felt fear, that's when I realized I could feel again, and I started a slow climb out of wherever my mind was stuck. Looking back I can't see how it could have been stopped from happening, also there was nothing to bring me out of it earlier. It's horrible, but I think most of the time it needs to just run its course.

judith said...

i used to describe recurring depression as waking up with a broken leg - like SHIT NOT AGAIN! And depression itself as having an anorgasmic relationship with life. Etc.
This is the best description of experiencing this degree/level/whatever depression I've read. It would make a great TED talk. Yes I know that's useless &irrelevant, but there we are.
I am so very glad you decided to stay long enough to find that piece of corn. Knowing just how unpredictable the the opportunities for joy can turn out to be is a powerful piece of information.

Brent said...

Holy shit Allie, I missed this so much, you have no idea. Thanks again for another great post.

Unknown said...

Your comment about things being pointless BS rather than hopeless BS reminds me of "The Elegance of the Hedgehog" by Muriel Barbery--one of my all-time favourite books.

I'm glad you're back. :)

Anonymous said...

Wishing you all the best in your recovery.

Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness, you're back! I've missed you!

I have to say, I really ~do~ relate to basically everything on here. It's been a hell-ish two years for me, with the combination of eating disorder relapse and depression. At this point, I'm at a weird stage. A few months ago I was feeling incredibly suicidal and wanted to just evaporate, but now I'm at the point where I just kind of... am. I'm here. It's slightly better in some ways, but I'm still incredibly confused about life and why I'm living. Like an existential crisis. However, if there's anything to be said, it's that my brother is one of my few sources of joy now, and he's essentially why I continued to fight and am still fighting.

P.S. The toy and the fish metaphors were SPOT ON. And I love seeing your posts on here, they were always a highlight of my day.

-Ali (I'm Ali too! Heh)

LoYo said...

hehe. found the plane. hehe.

ACreativeDreamer said...

One tiny kernel of corn at a time...

Anonymous said...

Sorry about how dead your fish are. :( I still like you though.

Unknown said...

This is the funniest description of depression that also happens to be terrifying and 100% spot-on. I have three things to say:

1. I have missed your posts, and am ECSTATIC (like, laughing at corn under the fridge kind of happy) that you're back. PLEASE STAY PLEASE PLEASE STAY.

2. What I've concluded about whether everything is just bullshit: a lot of it is bullshit. No meaning. No answers. My breakthrough was learning to be okay with that. I don't need a "why" to explain tragedy or disaster or whatever tickles that part of the brain that looks for meaning. Learning to be okay with that is kind of a relief.

3. The really profoundly awful part of what you're going through is likely to recur (you no doubt already know this). Now, while that SOUNDS awful, like some kind of hellish loop, I think of it as a can of snakes. You know, that gag-gift comedy can of snakes. Looks like a can of mixed nuts and shocks you so bad you almost have a heart attack. That's what it's like the first time. But every subsequent time you open that damn can of snakes, you eye it knowingly and say "I know what you're up to, and fuck you, I'm not going to jump this time," and eventually you develop the skill of calmly opening that can and the snakes don't scare the shit out of you or pop out so quickly. In other words, lame metaphor aside, you learn to recognize it and deal with it a little more efficiently each time. Maybe.

Uh...that was long. And probably didn't make much sense. But just--thank you for this post.

Unknown said...

I would also like to add my "I'm so glad you're back" to the list. Also, when I first read your Adventures in Depression post I found it sad, but then it happened to me and I found it capable of putting into words what I could not. This post is exactly the same for me.

I'm very happy you're still here. I'm very happy that you can use your wit and awesome drawing skills to talk about things that most people can't begin to express.

And I'm happy you're back.

Ceej said...

I know that boring deserted wasteland. I wish for you to tunnel your way out of it with all the pieces of corn that you can find.

Unknown said...

Thank you. And *hugs*. And it's okay to disappear for a while, and I'm glad you're back, and if you have to disappear again that's okay too, we'll wait for you. I'm rooting for you.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this. As someone who has been struggling with depression for a long time, it's nice to have something to point people to when my own words can't quite explain what's been going on.

Welcome back, Allie!

Trent Raley said...

The return... welcome back. You go girl!

Anonymous said...

I've worried about you, I'm glad you're feeling somewhat better. Lots of people here missed you and we're glad you're posting again :)

saira said...

I'm glad that you've chosen not to die. Also that you're seeing someone about the depression. I went through something similar some years back, and for me the hardest thing was feeling like my brain was actively working against me. It's like, "Hey, this is what I think... except that it's not actually rooted in anything except messed up brain chemistry so I can't trust that what I think is true is actually true." I would offer a shoulder to rant at (/metaphor fail), but that would probably be creepy.

Ms. Becca said...

Thank you so much for posting this. You are a bright light to many people, even if you think that's total bullshit. I can relate to so much of it and so can so many others. Thanks for taking the time to write and draw and make us laugh about something that can be hard to laugh about.

ruolbu said...

Just.. I don't know. Thank you for posting this. I don't know why I care, but I do. I did from back during that winter 11/12 when I found your blog. I had my fair share of depression myself since then and the thought of your blogpost always made it a little easier to bear.

I hope you will decide to be alive at some point because it feels like it's something you want for yourself - if that makes sense.

Unknown said...

Thank you.

Unknown said...

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Word.

erica m. chapman said...

So touching and real. The way you explained it was so SPOT ON it's scary. I hope you find what you're looking for out of life. You're very brave to share something so personal with us. THANK YOU.

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for sharing your story. Many people can relate (maybe not to the corn thing) and it helps to have someone express what depression really feels like in a way that is so relatable. Your stories have helped me smile through tough times, and I hope you can find more reasons to smile when you're struggling (maybe some peas? carrots?). Glad to have you with us, and stay strong:)

Genius prodigy said...

I'm not gonna say I know how you feel or felt becuase I know that's the last thing you want to hear, but I do want to say that reading this really helped me to put a lot of the stuff that happened in my life recently into something I can make sense of. I've stopped liking just about all the things I used to, and I was once very hopeful about the future and have stopped feeling that hope. This post really helped me understand where I am at better.
Regardless of how you feel or don't feel about it, know that you genuinely help a lot of people have better lives, even when its just a goofy comic.
Thank you.

Anonymous said...

I went through the comments and found myself wondering if some of these folks actulaly read what you wrote. I'm sorry about your depression. It sucks, and I have no answers, no kind words of encouragement that you'll be able to hear because you're still in it. I hope that you get better because I'm a selfish person who loves what you have to say when you choose to speak and I want more. Not sure if this will matter at all, but maybe checkout postsecret. Google it if you've not heard of it before. Maybe it will be easier to connect with strangers... I hope you find your fishes swimming out there beyond the wasteland.

Orpho said...

Welcome back. This post was amazing.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Allie. We love you!

Bunny said...

Thank you. I mean it. I've struggled with depression for quite many years, luckily never so bad that I've become suicidal, but it's still been pretty rough. I'm finally feeling a lot better, but this really helped me explain to my super-positive optimistic boyfriend exactly how I felt! He could never understand the random crying and the moping around not being able to do anything because everytime I started doing something it started feeling meaningless because it just didn't FEEL like anything! I kept thinking, why do I bother to watch this movie when I could just as well just sit on the floor staring at the wall and be equally unemotional with less trying. I actually had many of those "corn-moments" and it did actually help me realise that things might get better and they did! :) Im really happy that things are looking up for you too, hopefully you get to have loads of hilarious corn-moments<3

Anonymous said...

I'm so glad you're back! And though you've been having a shitty time - which really sucks - this is a brilliant post. Whatever it is, you still have it. Congratulations!

My girlfriend has struggled with depression for years, and a lot of what you said is eerily familiar to me. I'm one of those annoying-relentless-optimism people, which - you're absolutely right - is remarkably ineffective at making depressed people not depressed. Your fish metaphor is very apt, as well as being very funny.

I'm really glad you're back!

Anonymous said...

I am so glad you're back! And I just wanted to say that even through rough times, I always have hope in Christ.

solitarykitsch said...

Thank you, thank you, thank you. For writing through this and for telling the story I so very much relate to.

Anonymous said...

It makes me happy to see someone putting in comic form all the things I've been feeling. The only way I'm getting past it is by surrounding myself with constant routine and spontaneous happy things, it rubs off a little.

Nothx said...

So, based on some of your previous posts, if your current medication is just helping a little bit, you might talk to your doctor about the possibility that you're a rapid-cycling bipolar. Remember that post about how you don't have any energy for a long time and then suddenly you do for a day or two?

I'm not a doctor, but I have a ton of problems with happiness and energy in my family.

I hope you find your tears and laughter cathartic until they're satisfying.

Anonymous said...

I laughed a lot. I don't know if it's funnier to me because I've been there.

My depression has usually been accompanied by a certain dry sense of the ridiculous.

I credit my continued existence to retaining the ability to laugh at myself.

It's days when nothing is funny that are the most difficult.

BarbiDoll Beauty said...

You made me cry. This is an incredible post. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Can I print this and use it at work? I work in a psychiatric acute treatment unit and I think this could really help many of the people I would with.
Thank you!
p.s. I already have your pain scale thing up in the med room. It's awesomely cathartic for us. ;-)

amyunicorn said...

~hugs~ and, I hear you. Hang in there.

Anonymous said...

It's funny to think that if you saw this piece of corn at a different time you might have not felt anything, still. The corn revealed itself at the right time, what a nice piece of corn.

Don said...

Didn't even read it yet. Just scrolled down to comment "I'm glad you're back."

So . . .
I'm glad you're back.

KittyH said...

This was funny, informative and sad all at the same time because I've been where you are. And sadly, you are never truly free of the poison that is depression. It is like it lurks in your system waiting for a weak moment to take you down.

One thing I will say. It is nice to see someone talking about it. Nice to know your not the only one. =^..^=

Kristen said...

Hey Allie,
I just want to say - I empathise. I've been in that place and it's ten shades of ten, covered with twenty two shades of self loathing and a whole lot more of hatred and misery - but it does get better. And I know that's ridiculously optimistic-happy talk seeping through and there is literally nothing more irritating than those words when you're in the grip of depression, but it does. You start having good days amid the bad, and then good weeks, until you have good months and the good outweighs the bad.
So even if life is shit, I really hope it does get better for you Allie. Depression is a hole that no one deserves to fall into, and I wish you all the best in your life as it stands.
=)

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to say thank you for both going to see a doctor for help and talking about that in this comic. Getting professional help for mental illness shouldn't have the stigma it does, and I think your comic might help fight that.

KittyH said...

This was funny, informative and sad all at the same time because I've been where you are. And sadly, you are never truly free of the poison that is depression. It is like it lurks in your system waiting for a weak moment to take you down.

One thing I will say. It is nice to see someone talking about it. Nice to know your not the only one. =^..^=

Unknown said...

I've never wanted corn so much in my life! While I can't say that I've felt the way you do in terms of depression, I can definitely relate to not wanting to hear people telling you things will be 'okay' 'better' etc. just so they feel better. I'm sure it's genuine concern to a degree, but I also feel like it's them being uncomfortable that you're not 'normal' and they can't 'fix' you with their magical words of wisdom.

Thank you so much for sharing this - you're brilliant and have the most amazing & entertaining way of expressing yourself. =)

Anonymous said...

Wow, didn't know anyone else knew. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

I went through a bout of severe depression. Only it was a panic induced depression caused by post-college-graduation anxiety.I was panicking about how I was going to pay loans and get a job without any professional experience. Talk about feeling hopeless. The only thing that kept me going was my love for my family and the fear of ceasing to exist. I still don't have a job that pays over minimum wage, but thanks to my family, I don't have to worry about where I'll get my food and sleep, and I can use what I make at my job to pay off my loans and fuel my car. I can also say that I am officially back. Yesterday, I enjoyed watching the rain on the porch swing while listening to Steam Powered Giraffe.

Anonymous said...

Thank you. Nothingness is terrible for so many of us. I am glad you are getting better.

JasmineM said...

You're pretty much amazing. Pretty much.

David said...

Ironically, your post is someone's lonely corn kernel under the fridge (the fridge in this case was Reddit).

Anonymous said...

Allie, I've been reading your posts for a long time now, and I'm so glad to have you back. And, from a very different perspective, I somehow know *exactly* what you mean (down to the corn). About a month and a half ago I was diagnosed with terminal cancer (I'm 28, so, shit). The series of emotions you wrote about here so eloquently describe the last month and a half that just knowing other people in different situations can feel them is a source of hope itself. So hang in there. I'm doing the same. Who knows what's at the end of that wasteland, indeed.

Barbara said...

This was a very accurate and creative description. I've fought depression for years. People have asked me, "If you could do anything fun, what would you want to do?" and I can't come up with anything. All I can come up with is "Sleep" or "Not this" or "not work".

saira said...

@Anonymous with the depressed friend: just listen. Don't try to 'solve the problem' or suggest in any way that the friend is f*cked up. Just listen and give hugs. Maybe suggest that the person talk to a therapist if they aren't already, but don't push it. Offer to be on the person's emergency list (i.e. the list of friends on call for when the person feels like they may harm themselves and they need someone else to hang out with for a couple hours until that feeling goes away).

Pierce said...

hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com-con. Rent out a hall and get a bunch of us fans out to politely sit down and have a q&a session. That would be neat.

Hope you do a book tour.

Anonymous said...

I pissed myself laughing when the corn arrived. I can't explain it either!

Anonymous said...

You R so bruetful. How u so bruteful and good?


<3 Your dog. And most of the other dogs. Probably all of the dogs. And their owners, who sometimes stay alive so they can feed their stupid goddamn dogs.

You're a freakin' genius, Brosh.

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Anonymous said...

You're so talented--while you weren't posting, everyone used your illustrations or rip-offs of them for All The Memes! :)

Frank said...

I've never understood how depression works until this post. I've seen it all around me, but I couldn't really relate or believe in its power until now.

Thanks for sharing your humanity. Everyone is crazy, and if we all talk about why, maybe we'll be able to better understand each other in the long run.

Shan said...

Thanks Allie. This really is exactly what I've been dealing with for the past year. It's really nice to see that I'm not alone. Very well put too. <3

Jaki said...

I like this post. Pretend I wrote the same thing too.

Is it insensitive to say how happy your posting makes me feel when you're fish died? My fish are elated that your dead fish Have showed up to the party again. I even love zombie fish. Thanks Allie.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't able to read through all 3000+ posts to determine if someone has already said this but here goes: I have been experiencing what you described my entire 46+ years of life. It oscillates between the blank stare that the universe gives me and “oh, well, then everything is just fine.” The mistake I discovered I made is that I used to call it being “depressed.” I know now that it’s not that at all. During those long days, sometimes weeks, on occasion months, of feeling like nothing is worth living for, you’re going through the motions of living, everyone around you seems absolutely artificially pumped up on joy pills, is actually something outside of me, larger than me, brushing past me, reminding me that there is infiniteness beyond my comprehension that is just out there minding its own business and I just happen to be getting dragged along with it for a period of time. Caught in its wake, so to speak. That vastness can suck out every particle of who you think you are, of what you think is real, of what you think is relevant and stick it straight down the toilet. It even beats on it a little for good measure with a pointy stick while it’s in the toilet bowl just to make sure you’re paying attention to how insignificant you thought you weren’t. How to survive it? How to raise a family, hold down a job, interact with those happily chugging down the joy pills so they have a buffer between them and that terrifying brush with the “really big thing” that’s out there? I’m sure it’ll be a different answer for anyone attempting to deal with it but I believe you have tapped into it. The “really big thing” that’s out there favors nothing, not the big, not the small, so the overwhelming largeness or the “depression” can be easily countered by the incredibly small, usually without our invitation or knowing. To our tiny minds that absurd balance of the very large and the very small comes as quite a shock to us and can result in a real mind bender. We are not equipped to see the relationship or the necessary dependency of each on the other. Over time, and with enough experience, the overwhelming awareness of the large that I can be hit with tends to now balance out with embracing of the beauty of the very small. Sometimes, no larger than a piece of shriveled corn.

Alina said...

It's so great to see you back! I am sorry that you had to go through all this. Depression is an illness that is really hard to fight, and you are so great for actually fighting it and not giving up! Get well soon!

Les said...

I read this and felt a huge burst of....something and it wasn't my bladder.

You finally put words to the feelings that I have been trying to describe for YEARS.

I've been wondering how you've been doing and I'm so glad to see a post from you after so long. Glad to hear that you and your corn kernel are okay.

Again. Thank you. You are fantastic.

Jaki said...

I like this post. Pretend I wrote the same thing too.

Is it insensitive to say how happy your posting makes me feel when you're fish died? My fish are elated that your dead fish Have showed up to the party again. I even love zombie fish. Thanks Allie.

Anonymous said...

You have a large number of people here who will always like you no matter how vivacious your fish may or may not be.

lisgolding said...

MyGOG you're good at articulating (and illustrating) this stuff!
Publish your Blogs in a book, please - go on, I'll help! =D

lisgolding said...

MyGOG you're good at articulating (and illustrating) this stuff!
Publish your Blogs in a book, please - go on, I'll help! =D

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Anonymous said...

Thx you for that note. I kinda recover recently and I was reveling in confort, but your note made me remenber that I'm here to fight 'cause there are not other ways ^^
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I related to some of the stuff you wrote here, but some were different. Interesting to understand others kind of depression. For example, I never stopped having feelings (sadness and apathy) but I was like you at the bowling ^^. And also the d34th happears to be a solution for not suffering anymore, instead of you because life was meaningless. So some differences here and there, funny. HAve a nice life and keep fighting 'cause there's not other way. And you also don't wanna die.

pamelama said...

Thank you. That is all.

Katrina said...

Thank you, I missed you!

Anonymous said...

Allie, everything you say is very true. I have been, there I am there. I'm glad to have you back but I guess unlike everyone else I am sad that it happened in this way. You did the hardest thing anyone can do, you accepted nothingness AND still choose to live. You where one of the few people who can see through all the illusions and survive, and you gave it up, not for yourself, but for the sake of all the people still trapped in the illusion. There are a few of us that are made of different stuff than the 'happy people' It is not a failing, it makes us special but it makes us so special that it scares everyone, including ourselves.

Instead of living with yourself long enough to discover what you can truly be you allowed society (your family?) to modify your amazing brain and shape you into something that doesn't frighten them.

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much. Seriously, thank you. It means so much to know there are others going through it too.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for this. Been there. Done that. The ancients called this "The abyss" (or as John of the Cross says "the dark night of the soul"). Into this darkness fell the kernel, the semina, the seed (normally corn) that then emerged in the mind as laughter to see the world again as beautiful. Startling that you actually had the identical experience as the Eleusynian Cultists professed.
"To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour."
Anyway - all the best and EVOHE!

Tyler said...

You are so amazing! Having been in this exact position from start to finish, I just want to give you a big hug!

Also, it appears your "corn on the kitchen floor" event is eerily close to my "cat on a leash" principle.

Anonymous said...

Aint going to say "happy you're back" because that implies the wrong thing. I am going to say that I'm happy to hear from you. That I'm glad that you made it through 19 months of weird bullshit and lived to post about. And I totally did laugh at the most inappropriate things.

Thank you. I hope to hear from you again someday soon.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad for you. Welcome back.

TMB said...

Allie, I'm glad you're back. I just got done telling my shrink that I can't feel anything right now, but I had a spontaneous cry thing at the last picture you posted. I want do do that more.

Anonymous said...

Thank you.

KT Grant said...

Hugs my friend. Ans big hugs to that kernel of corn.

Anonymous said...

Hey thanks for finding time to update your blog. Your posts got me through most of high school and I'm happy you're posting again. I don't want to say "miss" because it implies personal connection, but I missed you.

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Courtney said...

The road out of depression starts with a little shriveled up piece of corn.

Glad things are starting to look up.

Sandra G said...

You realize now that when I am confronted by a depressed person, I'm going to have to run off, find a shriveled piece of corn somewhere, and hold it out to him and her with a hopef... a look like a dog who has just carried a dead mouse into the house and wants you to think it's the best gift ever? It's going to be weird and embarrassing. Maybe it will be enough to make the depressed person laugh hysterically, though, I dunno.

maliberry said...

So glad to have you back, Allie, and I'm glad you're learning how to feel again. You can do this! x

Amy (Kid-FreeLiving) said...

Not to beat a dead horse but, so glad to hear from you again! I had barely found you before you disappeared and it was like finding a Christmas present and then having it taken away!

Lerewayah said...

Just yay. Depression is also an evil monster mountain that can make putting your socks on Olympics-like. You are doing a good work articulating it so well!

melancholy curls said...

i dont know how to express it. but. i. understand?? what you are going through. yes. that is what i am trying to say here. because this is happening too. in my life. so i hope that even if i cant, that you will be able to find the feelings. good luck, ally.

Anonymous said...

I had a similar experience and with the help of a great doctor we found a combination of medicines that worked for me. For the past eight years things were great.

Not long ago, I had an aneurysm burst in my brain. My brain is fine now, but I was not allowed to take my medicines for about 12 weeks because the doctors were afraid that they could cause me to have seizures.

Twelve weeks is just about long enough for all of the effects of the medicines to wear off. Right now, the depression is like a heavy wet blanket that I have to wear everywhere I go. Though, there's something different this time. I started taking the medicines again about three weeks ago. I know that they are going to help me again, but there's this little black kernel of fear and doubt. What if they don't work this time? What if I'm stuck this time? I keep telling myself that things are going to get better, but it works less and less each time.

Anyway, your story and especially the drawing at the end made me smile and that made my day.

Thank you.

Alexxx said...

I know you must be amazingly sick of hearing this - but it WILL get better. Slowly, more pieces of corn will appear, then entire cobs! Mayve some fairy floss too! (I don't know what fairy floss has to do with it.. maybe a big yummy cloud of happy sticky feelings? Sticky from the crying? Yeah..)
But we love you Allie and you're so amazing :) See you on the other side! <3

gkkstitch said...

My moment was a fish flying over my head. ::fist bump my fish to your corn::

Mark said...

I've been feeling like shit for years and after about a year on medications, I'm finally starting to feel like everything isn't hopeless bullshit again. Thank you for posting this.

Anonymous said...

wow. this is absolutely the best way to describe depression and post-depression (or slowing and haltingly shifting slightly into feeling again) i have ever read. you are brilliant

Emily said...

I'm so glad you're back and feeling at least a little better! I'm really, really happy a piece of corn made its way under your fridge.

I don't have any personal experience with depression, but I can understand why it would be frustrating to hear other people's advice... if it were as easy as doing yoga during a sunrise, nobody would be depressed. If depressed people could have hope, by definition they wouldn't be depressed.

Anyway, I hope you get better soon :)

Anonymous said...

You are a brilliant artist. This was an amazing post and I'm so excited to share it with my peeps. Fucking hell. I'm going to look under the fridge.

Cherries&Garlic. said...

Thanks, I needed this.

and you're awesome with your dead fish and shriveled corn.

never forget that.

Anonymous said...

Awesome and inspiring!

Anonymous said...

I cycle through stages like these every few months. Looking at a yin yang symbol help me realise that I'll eventually cycle out of it again.

19 months is a nasty length though. Glad you're back!

Now, begin entertaining us again. Be the corn.

Odrook said...

You've put into words (and pictures) everything I've never been able to express. The best I've ever been able to manage is "I feel like an entire Nine Inch Nails album. The whole thing." Your fish metaphor is so much more dead-on. Thank you for sharing this!

Anonymous said...

Thank you for writing this, and for sharing your stories with us. Your incredible description is spot on, and your ability to make us laugh -- even in the midst of this fog -- is wonderful!

Anonymous said...

This is spot on. This is real.

Anonymous said...

I'm a therapist and would like to use this with some of my clients. I suspect it will help. Thank you for your honesty.

Mark said...

I've been feeling like shit for years and after about a year on medications, I'm finally starting to feel like everything isn't hopeless bullshit again. Thank you for posting this.

Unknown said...

Greetings fellow sentient, my apologies if the following is a bit long and cumbersome but it's the internet, you're going to attract a few crazies.

TLDR VERSION: Positive feedback, your work is valuable and has meaning.

TMST (Too Much Spare Time) VERSION:
(Part 1 of N)

This is real familiar. All of it, even the corn. I have feelings but I still have to remember how to react to things for other people. What I experience is too complex to render cleanly most of the time. I am not suicidal though at times I am nihilistic but there's a built in stalemate check: "If everything is meaningless anyhow, then it doesn't make a difference if I put it off until tomorrow. I may as well live a few thousand years so I have more data." .. And that puts me back into study mode.

The funny thing is, I'm happy most of the time. When I'm writing code, when I'm building stuff, when I'm playing music, when I'm drawing, hiking, talking with people, blah blah blah, I'm quite happy and engaged. In the infinite eternities between ticks of the clock, I am depressed, utterly alone, alien, outcast, ignorant, hateful, small, selfish, pointless, narcissistic and a waste of space.

I don't think what I am is depressed per se. I think it's more like being hyper aware. When I'm on the beach doing yoga while playing flute, I'm very centered and focused and happy and I recognize that all these things are good for me, that the sun, exercise, fresh air, challenge, etc are all things that make me feel good and that's useful for getting stuff done and they're healthy for my mind and body. However, at the same time, I recognize that steam-cleaning the carpets and re-roofing the house and studying multivariable calculus would ALSO be healthy for my mind and body and probably more useful to my long-term security and I'm doing none of those things. I could also be reading a book or dancing or volunteering at a soup kitchen and all of those things would have value but I never prioritize them. I can see myself as self, lazy, uncharitable. I am also aware that I have contributed very little that is meaningful to the world, that Mozart and Einstein had published their major works well before they got to my age, etc, etc, etc. I know how to be _HERE_ _NOW_ and tune out all of the background noise whenever I stop and think about it but I chose to experience more than that most of the time and then eventually I get a little distracted and forget to hold onto that moment of eternal bliss and spiral out into only the negative side and then I remember again and reset.

Thing is, I'm pretty sure this is how everyone operates just that most people aren't so aware of it. When you're in the moment, you're happy. When you start dwelling on the past, the future, and the alternative timelines, you get depressed. I happen to recognize that I have certain mimetic cues that I can use to artificially change my mood to whatever I want (same as making the appropriate response for other people in a conversation) my hardware is a stupid animal and easily tricked.

Anonymous said...

I was staring at an uninteresting section of my bedroom wall last night in the dark when a realization crossed my mind and I fumbled my way to my Mac and typed this …

People caring for me is a burden

Then I read this today …

"Perhaps it was because I lacked the emotional depth necessary to panic, or maybe my predicament didn't feel dramatic enough to make me suspicious, but I somehow managed to convince myself that everything was still under my control right up until I noticed myself wishing that nothing loved me so I wouldn't feel obligated to keep existing. "

And now I have to laughcry (crough?) but at least it's a feeling. Thank you.

Unknown said...

TMST (Too Much Spare Time) VERSION:
(Part 2 of N)

My cat died the year before last. She was my closest friend for a long time. Losing her was incredibly painful to me but my mind also conjured up little cartoon images of her with angel wings, finally able to fly to the tops of the redwoods and chase the birds. She had a heart attack on the stairs. We got the house because the same thing happened to the previous owner. In some twisted way that's an amusing synchronicity. We're rebuilding the stairs to make them less likely to kill people so part of me has pride in that and smug self-satisfaction that the old stairs needed to go. Part of me laughs that building new stairs will kill us or make us into lumpy muscled mutants.

I'm like this all the time. Everything is ALWAYS infinitely sad and ugly and pointless and funny and beautiful and poignant. My emotional state depends entirely on which story I chose to embrace. My empty void 'depression' comes from recognizing all of the potential stories and my unwillingness to assert more meaning to any one of them than all the others. A blank page is the greatest story never written. It has infinite possibilities and the moment I make a mark on it, it becomes limited and I have destroyed untold trillions of possibilities. Within that page you are god with infinite power to create and destroy. Within your mind you are the narrator of your own story. Things may happen that are outside your control but how you chose to react to them will play a role in what future things you will experience and how you will perceive them. You are also surrounded by similar authors making similar choices and because of that, it can make revisions of older work extremely difficult. Knowing that, how can one not be cautious about too quickly embracing any particular story?

FWIW, I think you're doing the right thing writing about it in a way that people can absorb and understand. We tend to suck on our own but as social animals we can do some pretty cool distributed processing. I still haven't figured out just what it is I should be doing.

Jessie said...

I didn't think I'd ever read or see anything that was so understanding of ways that I have felt. Thank you. Thank you for being brave enough to come back and share this. Maybe everything isn't hopeless bullshit, indeed.

Christie. said...

I don't even know you and I feel so proud at the bravery it must have taken you to write this. I hope you'll keep being brave and keep talking about how you feel, even if it seems like nobody understands it.

X.

Darphesh said...

So glad to see this post, everyone's been so worried.

Hope I can find my piece of corn soon...

Look after yourself, take care and be well. I know everyone is rooting for you!

Kate Sherrod said...

It's always kind of stunning to see a stranger expressing an experience that I have considered to be idiosyncratically mine alone, and doing it perfectly. I'm pretty much still waiting for the piece of corn. But maybe this cartoon is my piece of corn? Because I'm laughing like a loon.

Anonymous said...

I think I need to look under my fridge. Do you think you have to be crying? (I'm not good at crying anymore.) I'll check it out. :) Glad you're back posting, missed your awesomeness very much. Thanks for coming back!

Daio Lamers said...

I don't know if I could describe your writing as stream of consciousness. But it feels like it to me. You are a wonderful author and I've missed your posts.

Heather said...

I know what that's like. And telling people is always weird. And people react in funny ways. One person gave me a watering can that was shaped like a duck and told me we couldn't be friends anymore. Another person drove an hour and took me on a walk to tell me he didn't want to marry me. I was confused, because we'd never been on a date or anything.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for continuing to make the world a better place :)

Anonymous said...

I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said in previous comments. I just wanted to thank you. Depression is such a lonely experience. Today you've made it less lonely. I wish you all the best in your recovery.

Anonymous said...

Thank you.

Becca said...

Im printing this off and showing this to my mother and the therapists to fucking show them what this shit is like...you nailed it.

I'll do it later..
yeah.

harry the don said...

you're ace.

Anonymous said...

I did all this until the corn. I'm jealous I don't have any corn of my own.

Anonymous said...

Heya, I do some work in the mental health service industry, and I've got a couple of resources that you might be able to use if you're having trouble finding the right doctor. Most states have a 2-1-1 number which you can dial which will have good listings about doctors and whatnot. You'll want to look for a psychiatric nurse practitioner, a therapist specializing in depression and a diagnostic psychiatrist if you haven't met with these individuals before.

That said, good comic.

Anonymous said...

I like the stuff you do. I enjoy the way you write, your artwork, and the atmosphere you create. You're a great person. I'm glad you're back. You've just made life better for alot of people. Alot of people. . .

Amanda said...

I've been waiting for you to come back. Your timing couldn't have been better. I'm going to start looking for my piece of corn. Thanks, Allie.

Snow said...

so glad you're feeling even a little better! i hope you continue to recover, and hope that one day you'll be past all of this. :)

jessorso said...

I can totally relate, and lost a mother to suicide. Glad you found a way out through the corn at the end of the tunnel. ;)

Unknown said...

For me, it turned out everything wasn't hopeless bullshit. I'd almost forgotten the moment the nothingness turned to endless crying. I remember that exact moment (putting my leftover dinner in the bin), but not the laughter one.

catspinster said...

Thank you! Off to buy some corn to sprinkle under the fridge. Just in case.

Caity Knox said...

the internet: it needs you.

this post is a piece of shriveled corn to so many people.

Tiffany said...

I have been there. Your illustration of the dark room and the hole is one I'll use to illustrate to people how it was for me the day I fell off the cliff.

I'm sorry you've been there, and are still finding your way out. But I'm glad you laughed at the corn and that things look a little less shitty.

Unknown said...

Wow it's like you've been in my head. This post so captures my depression combined with chronic fatigue. I nodded, laughed, and cried my way through it. I had to share it and want to make my family and close friends read it.

SV said...

Way to go, Allie. I'm glad you found that piece of corn :)

monica lasich said...

I cried through the whole thing. But I haven't found my corn yet.

C.Mander said...

I know these feels.

Unknown said...

wonderful, funny and true and great great drawings so glad you're back and doing better

Anonymous said...

I have been so worried about you, and you come back with this incredibly brilliant and deeply insightful and true down to the bone account of depression. I went through that, especially the crying, it was like Alice in Wonderland and the pool of tears--I thought I would drown, part of my mind was WTF? How long can this go on? And you captured that all in 1 sentence and made me laugh too. Thank you, thank you.

Happydogface said...

Thank you - stumbled along with this for years as my mum id depressed and I'm aspergers so have a hard time understanding stuff that is brushed over. Written down, or explained fully I'm good. So this made me feel good as I get from you what depression is - just nothing. That sounds terrifying, and tedious. My brain continually fizzes from one project to another when it suddenly goes "meh too tired, sleep or I'll make scream at people". To just have nothing sounds so lonely and I can see why the nothing would rob the something by rendering it pointless. What a total s**t of a disease! Thank for explaining it so well - the visuals help me too. I know it's not about me and I'm hoping not to be treading on your toes by talking about my stuff. But so useful!

Glad you have some feelings back and hope you get more back too. Hope you get to keep them this time. Big love from an interwebs stranger x

monica lasich said...

I cried through the whole thing. I still haven't found my corn.

Anonymous said...

Going to the psychiatrist tomorrow to confront my own problems. This make me laugh so hard I cried. Thanks.

Unknown said...

Thank you for sharing your story. Yay, corn!

MarkeseTheMop said...

I AM SOOO HAPPY YOU'RE BACK!!!!!! I was JUST started to get bored with re-reading all ur old posts. YAY!!! My husband will be so excited to have me shoving my laptop in his face all night long, like old times. Also, my co-workers will be so happy to have me squeeling with laughter in my cubicle, again. Keep it up! You have been missed!!

Anonymous said...

Welcome back!
I kind of want to send you lots of corn now. Because it will be your fanbase's secret shorthand for happiness, and I want you to have it. Because I want you to have happiness, in case that wasn't clear enough.
Best of luck obtaining more feelings!
P.S. It Gets Better. And I don't mean that in a platitude way. I mean that, once you get through everything sucking this much, it will throw your life into such sharp, happy relief that you'll spend months walking on sunshine. It's really fun.
--Birdlove

Anonymous said...

Hi. I have never commented on your blog before but I have read, related wtih, and laughed at almost all your posts. I can't say I understand what you're going through, and I don't claim to know how it feels like. Despite this, it is truly a great relief to hear something- anything- from you. I am sure your fans are genuinely happy to hear that you are still alive. You may or may not think much of what we tell you, but for all they're worth, our thoughts and concerns go out to you, Ali. Whether you change, or recover, or not, we will stay supportive of you through and through.

jessorso said...

I can totally relate, and lost a mother to suicide. Glad you found a way out through the corn at the end of the tunnel. ;)

manatee said...

I've been living versions of this story of various scopes and depths for as long as I've been fully self-aware (surprisingly recent occurrence), though the nothingness is often nicely compartmentalized (lots of cognitive dissonance). This is a truly beautiful and unprecedentedly accurate description of what it's like.

Without really knowing you at all, I'd like to offer a feasible explanation for the corn. I imagine it to be a perfect storm of novel and silly and childishly positive notions, including:

1. corn is a pretty funny word.
2. food on the floor is always funny when you don't care about eating it. think about little kids pouring cereal on the ground and laughing at it, or the green slime dumps from Nickelodeon. in this case, it's just a perfectly slightly gross amount of manageable chaos.
3. with that in mind, the fact that it got there by accident makes it even sillier. who knows how long it had been there, or how it got there in the first place?
4. the isolation and solidarity of the tiny thing in the giant yet inconspicuous space was enhanced by it being corn. bulby, yellow, sweet yet bland, a single grain of corn is just oddly silly in its own right. the shrivelling then enhanced it further, especially since it indicated how horribly long it had been there.
5. noticing all of this silliness in one big rush while crying on the floor would create a true moment of bewilderment, which would "knock you out of the back of your own head", so to speak, in a rug-pulled-from-under-you kind of way. such moments are fantastic emotional resets. Think of a little kid farting mid-tantrum, or a girl sneezing snot all over herself in the middle of a sob fest. The relevant party can't help but burst into laughter after such a moment. I actually learned to cause such jolts on purpose (without the need for bodily fluids!) for the sake of "snapping out of" any runaway emotional binge after experiencing an especially crucial one by accident.

It's like the corn made you catch yourself being unreasonable by being just 10x more unreasonable, in the most unlikely of places, and in the utmost of childlike ways. If you had a 2 year old boy, he probably would've created a similar situation months before to create a similar reaction in you. Hell, maybe some super-genius unknown-hero planted that kernel deliberately, just in case you noticed.

mutecebu said...

Hi! Thank you. I love your writing, but I also want to say I love you (in a "you're cool" way, not in a creepy stalker way.) I love that you exist. Even if you never write again, and start kicking puppies instead, that will not change.

Lisey said...

You have over 3000 comments on here. That is a crazy amount of replies. We've missed you. Keep yourself well.

Anonymous said...

Exactly. This! thank you!

Anonymous said...

I was just recently in a one in a billion opportunity where I thought I'd be able to be someone else's piece of corn.

Long story short, I'm still looking for my own piece of corn.

Unknown said...

This is remarkable.

I lost control of my ability to suppress laughter at several times during this post. Those parts weren't funny, but they were true. The surprise of truth is like your soul getting tickled.

I only commented because I wanted to tell you, not that I share your experience, or understand exactly how you do or don't feel, but that I can tell from what you wrote that you have really gone through this whatever it is; and that you surprised me with your ability to transcribe it. I know you must have worked very hard on this post, because it is so real.

Kim said...

I'm so fucking happy you spotted that corn!

Unknown said...

It's not crazy - corn=happiness

Tomorrow may not be as less shitty as today but still it will be tomorrow which is important

arthbard said...

I went through a pretty nasty bout of depression about 10 years ago, so I really relate to a lot of this. I remember my family pressuring me to go out to eat with them once, even though all I wanted to do at the time was lie on the bed and stare at the ceiling. On the car ride to the restaurant, somebody made a joke or said something amusing, and I attempted a smile, mainly because I imagined it to be the appropriate response. When, I caught a glimpse of myself in the rearview mirror, I realized I wasn't so much smiling as grimacing.

I didn't make another such attempt for quite some time.

I know this is an understatement, but I'll say it anyway: Depression is a whole load of no fun.

I wish you the best, Allie.

TankDiveGirl said...

Allie! I'm SO HAPPY You're Back!

And I can totally, totally relate. I'm not going to give you all the bullshit talks about "it gets better" and all that. Just get through one minute. And then when you're okay with getting through a minute, get through five. That's what I did, and it helped until my anti-depressant kicked in.

*HUGSHUGSHUGS*

Anonymous said...

Mine wasn't a piece of corn. Mine was a joke: "Why didn't the tiger want to play poker with his neighbor? Because his neighbor was a cheetah. Why didn't the cheetah like talking to his brother? Because his brother was a lion." I sat in the bar with my boyfriend and hysterically sobbed with laughter for about seven minutes while he just stared at me and asked what the fuck was wrong. But it helped.

C.Mander said...

And *this* is my piece of corn moment.

Anonymous said...

Allie, I was suicidal at 12 years old. I want to say I can relate to you entirely, but everyone's path is so different. I only know that what you went through, and clearly, are still going through is extremely difficult and I'm so sorry that you're there.

This post is amazing. It describes perfectly what hopeless depression feels like, and how our support system as a whole can't understand unless they've been through it.

You're helping people with these posts. The depth of what you write is astounding.

Life IS cyclical. You are sad, but you will be happy again. Stay here. I promise what I say is true.

xoxo

Jim said...

You might be the bravest artist whose work I have ever seen.

Jane said...

I'm sorry your fish are dead, we all still think you're pretty cool. Welcome back. :)

bananas4kakashi said...

I've had bouts with depression since I was a teenager. I've had therapy since then and have ways to deal with it now. Your illustrations are spot on.
I've learned that depression is usually anger turned inwards. When I start getting depressed, I make myself stop and think about what is happening in my life. There's usually something that is making me feel angry and out of control. Once I isolate what the problem is, I can sometimes talk myself out of being depressed. I was glad to see you went through a 'hate' phase. I think that's the way we have to get rid of the pent up anger/depression.

I don't know if anything of what I said made sense. I'm glad you are feeling better now.

Albert Freeman said...

Welcome back for as long as you wanna stay. You're alive and that's enough for me right now. I hope we all get better. Someday.

seanjsweeney said...

Please keep writing! Wonderful post...

Cassie said...

You have created what may be the very best thing to show someone who doesn't understand how my depression works. Also, as someone looking back from years on medication - things do get less constantly awful until you generally totally WANT to exist! And thank you for this post, really - you are kind of awesome even if your fish are all dead.

Anonymous said...

I'm so happy to see you back!! And I'm really really glad you're feeling better.

RevAaronD said...

The whole Internet is excited you're back. That's very something. :)

So, I somehow doubt you're going to be reading 3000+ comments. But I've been fighting with depression for nearly two decades. I love the metaphor of the fish, and plan on using your depression posts from now on for anyone who says they want to understand. ("Go read these. You won't get them either, but I'm sick of explaining it to people, and maybe you'll understand THAT.")

And I've come to cherish the "corn moments" that make no sense but are the moment that everything turns around.

In short: Thanks, and you're not alone. Well obviously. After 3000 comments you're not.

Olivia said...

This made me laugh so much! I love your artwork & analogies. Added bonus: I think a lot of people will connect with this post. Thank you and please keep sharing your thoughts with the world.

Bethann said...

Corn + floor = forlorn corn. Sad corn is funny. I don't know but it's making me chuckle and I'm so happy to see you writing again. Hooray!

Wayne said...

You == winning.

Anonymous said...

Dear dear Allie. It is so wonderful to hear from you after missing you all these months. Please know how much you are loved by your readers. I too struggle with depression and your wit and humanity have helped me to cope so often. All best wishes for your continued recovery.

Hallie said...

You are very brave and I am in awe of your talent for communicating this stuff. Your Spirit of You-ness makes the world a better place.

Anonymous said...

I can't say I understand what you've been through, but this post helped me understand a lot more about the depression I've seen in the people I love. Hopefully now I can be more understanding, and maybe be that person who can say "I'm sorry your fish are dead."

Anonymous said...

God damn you are really talented. I've always liked your work and this knocks it out of the park.

You've just been added to my list of life role models, next to Louie CK

Anonymous said...

this is a really personal and coherent disclosure of how depression feels - form all of the posts that precede this one, there are so many of us out there and while we may say that we were depressed, few of us are willing to say that we don't want to live any more...it is such a climb & struggle to regain yourself. To have the strength to share this...hats off to you...

Unknown said...

Welcome back. And I'm glad you shared all of this--it couldn't have been easy. It's going to help a lot of people understand though. I'm also sorry you went through what you did. But you're not alone. I've been there too. The corn didn't make me laugh, but it did make me smile. Okay, maybe it made me laugh a little. Maybe it's just for depressed people to understand. :-) I would say I love you but that's kind of creepy, but how about I have love for you as one depressed person to another. (I've been in remission for a while now, so it's possible.)

Jen

Anonymous said...

i'm laughing really hard at the corn too, don't worry. i understand your corn.

Anonymous said...

I've never been in that pit of nothingness, and I can't begin to imagine how hard it must be. My mind had the decency to malfunction in a way that left no doubt that I needed medication and a doctor. When I wasn't mindlessly ENRAGED at my fellow man, I was having mild tactile hallucinations and panic attacks. I slept with a dowel as tall as I was propped up by the bed, sometimes IN the bed, in case I was attacked in my sleep by something. Whenever I was alone, it was all I could do to keep breathing and remember that the claws on my shoulder weren't attached to anything.

At the same time, I developed several food allergies and a gluten intolerance, so even when I could fight past the rage and fear long enough to eat, I threw up or otherwise wasted the meal.

I've always considered myself the luckiest person in the world, because when things first started to go wrong in my head, I was still in highschool. My mother had the authority and will to DRAG me to the doctor. If it hadn't been for that, even if I was living with someone else, I don't know that I would have survived. I wouldn't have gone to the doctor.

I wouldn't have talked to anyone. I would have curled up and surrendered. Which is all a very long winded way of saying....you're stronger than me, and I admire that.

I hope your depression continues to respond to medication. I'm glad you never forgot that you were loved, and that people would miss you.

Unknown said...

This blog post will transcend the depression community and become culturally relevant to society at large. It will spread across the internet and then beyond it, as those who deal with these issues show it to people they know, and then those people show it to others looking to better understand the experiences of those around them. Anthropologists will mark this as a turning point of public awareness about flat affect and depression in general, and the phrase "kernel of corn" will be adopted as a phrase meaning "insignificant object that triggers a release of positive emotions."

Actually, that probably won't happen.

But that won't stop this post from being important to us.

Thank you.

Linda Williams said...

Glad you are back. May the corn be with you!

Anonymous said...

Like everyone else had said, we've missed you. Alot:) We love your words and art! It has given laughter and thought to 1000s x1000s. I, like many others that have commented have had almost identical experience with depression. Your dead fish metaphor is SPOT ON! If your still in Portland that may account for some of the depression:) Much love from SoCal!

Steve said...

I understand

Ruth said...

There are a ZILLION comments on this thing and I just wrote a few thousand words more, but I guess I'll keep it short: fuck yoga. After years of feeling dead and alone I broke down crying in my doctor's office and she gave me some meds. A few weeks later it was like waking up for the first time. So this is what normal people feel like every day?? I hope you reach the point soon where you're really happy and then start getting suspicious because you're happy and that's not normal but you just... keep being happy. Depression! Punch it in the face! We can all do it!

Tacy said...

You are fantabulous for posting this. I hope you don't mind me pointing people to your blog to see more of what I try in vain to explain.

My piece of corn was a photo of a kitty litter cake, I nearly threw up from the laughter and my sides and back hurt for days.

Thank you and please remember you are no alone in this.

Anonymous said...

So nice to hear from you Allie; I love the new post.

Never forget that if everyone was the same then life would be REALLY boring and even though you're a bit mad (I am too; I totally take the brain medication, like, every day)at least you aren't a racist or a homophobe or something.

HistoryGeek said...

My moment of knowing that things were going to be better came while I was cleaning my empty apartment after a move to a smaller space. I was dusty, sweaty, exhausted and...it felt good. Don't know why. I wish cleaning could make me feel that way all the time. But nope just that once.

Glad you don't feel nothing anymore.

erin said...

I'm glad to hear from you Allie. Not to be creepy or anything but I have thought about you from time to time and am glad to hear that you are laughing at corn now. Even the smallest feelings are a tremendous thing when the landscape has been flat for so long.
Take care,
e

Anonymous said...

Hey lady, I'm glad you look like you're on the way to recovery! There's been a lot of people out here hoping you were ok and wondering and stuff. Lots of things are bullshit, but a lot fewer things are hopeless bullshit.

Also, the "hello" monster just totally cracked me up.

Unknown said...

Welcome back, Allie! We've missed you!

Stephanie Forbes said...

So. Damn. True. Every word of it.

I haven't had my life turned around by a kernel of corn (yet), but everything else was very familiar.

I swear I have had those exact conversations with people, looking like you did.

Thank you for returning.

Unknown said...

I have gone through some cycles like the one you give life to here. I have come to some of my own conclusions about life and hope. If you would like to read some of the views of hope that helped me get through the day, I suggest you look up the article in the link below and also absurd literature like Camus' Stranger, and Waiting for Godot. Good luck human!

http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/170/

Kate said...

Hi Ali,

I never comment on your stuff because it's so awesome, literally thousands of people have commented first. It seems unnecessary, like, who needs MORE compliments clogging their website? Then I remembered, everyone.

I'm so sorry you have suffered/suffer from depression. I do as well, and it took 8 years to find the right meds. For me, the silver lining is being able to help people who suffer too, because the feelings you describe of not only not caring but not being able to care are too illogical for others to comprehend.

You have done so very, very much through your pain by writing this post to help those with depression not feel alone, and help those who love them to get it. I hope you appreciate how much you've helped.

I feel exactly the same about the suicide stuff. It's like an out-of-body experience to ask for help and be the calm one.

Thank you x infinity +1

Molly Tucker said...

You've hit the nail of depression so squarely on the head that...I don't know how to complete the metaphor but DAMN GIRL. You put into words thoughts and feelings that I didn't have language for. I already knew you were funny, had no idea you were amazingly brave and insightful as well. So glad you're still here. <3

Unknown said...

This blog post will transcend the depression community and become culturally relevant to society at large. It will spread across the internet and then beyond it, as those who deal with these issues show it to people they know, and then those people show it to others looking to better understand the experiences of those around them. Anthropologists will mark this as a turning point of public awareness about flat affect and depression in general, and the phrase "kernel of corn" will be adopted as a phrase meaning "insignificant object that triggers a release of positive emotions."

Actually, that probably won't happen.

But that won't stop this post from being important to us.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

So glad you are back! I know this helped a friend of mine and am thankful for that. So glad that piece of corn was there that day. And people are crazy...that shit WAS funny! I got it. :-)

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