I didn't understand why it was fun for me, it just was.
But as I grew older, it became harder and harder to access that expansive imaginary space that made my toys fun. I remember looking at them and feeling sort of frustrated and confused that things weren't the same.
I played out all the same story lines that had been fun before, but the meaning had disappeared. Horse's Big Space Adventure transformed into holding a plastic horse in the air, hoping it would somehow be enjoyable for me. Prehistoric Crazy-Bus Death Ride was just smashing a toy bus full of dinosaurs into the wall while feeling sort of bored and unfulfilled. I could no longer connect to my toys in a way that allowed me to participate in the experience.
Depression feels almost exactly like that, except about everything.
At first, though, the invulnerability that accompanied the detachment was exhilarating. At least as exhilarating as something can be without involving real emotions.
The beginning of my depression had been nothing but feelings, so the emotional deadening that followed was a welcome relief. I had always wanted to not give a fuck about anything. I viewed feelings as a weakness — annoying obstacles on my quest for total power over myself. And I finally didn't have to feel them anymore.
But my experiences slowly flattened and blended together until it became obvious that there's a huge difference between not giving a fuck and not being able to give a fuck. Cognitively, you might know that different things are happening to you, but they don't feel very different.
Which leads to horrible, soul-decaying boredom.
I tried to get out more, but most fun activities just left me existentially confused or frustrated with my inability to enjoy them.
Months oozed by, and I gradually came to accept that maybe enjoyment was not a thing I got to feel anymore. I didn't want anyone to know, though. I was still sort of uncomfortable about how bored and detached I felt around other people, and I was still holding out hope that the whole thing would spontaneously work itself out. As long as I could manage to not alienate anyone, everything might be okay!
However, I could no longer rely on genuine emotion to generate facial expressions, and when you have to spend every social interaction consciously manipulating your face into shapes that are only approximately the right ones, alienating people is inevitable.
Everyone noticed.
It's weird for people who still have feelings to be around depressed people. They try to help you have feelings again so things can go back to normal, and it's frustrating for them when that doesn't happen. From their perspective, it seems like there has got to be some untapped source of happiness within you that you've simply lost track of, and if you could just see how beautiful things are...
At first, I'd try to explain that it's not really negativity or sadness anymore, it's more just this detached, meaningless fog where you can't feel anything about anything — even the things you love, even fun things — and you're horribly bored and lonely, but since you've lost your ability to connect with any of the things that would normally make you feel less bored and lonely, you're stuck in the boring, lonely, meaningless void without anything to distract you from how boring, lonely, and meaningless it is.
But people want to help. So they try harder to make you feel hopeful and positive about the situation. You explain it again, hoping they'll try a less hope-centric approach, but re-explaining your total inability to experience joy inevitably sounds kind of negative; like maybe you WANT to be depressed. The positivity starts coming out in a spray — a giant, desperate happiness sprinkler pointed directly at your face. And it keeps going like that until you're having this weird argument where you're trying to convince the person that you are far too hopeless for hope just so they'll give up on their optimism crusade and let you go back to feeling bored and lonely by yourself.
And that's the most frustrating thing about depression. It isn't always something you can fight back against with hope. It isn't even something — it's nothing. And you can't combat nothing. You can't fill it up. You can't cover it. It's just there, pulling the meaning out of everything. That being the case, all the hopeful, proactive solutions start to sound completely insane in contrast to the scope of the problem.
It would be like having a bunch of dead fish, but no one around you will acknowledge that the fish are dead. Instead, they offer to help you look for the fish or try to help you figure out why they disappeared.
The problem might not even have a solution. But you aren't necessarily looking for solutions. You're maybe just looking for someone to say "sorry about how dead your fish are" or "wow, those are super dead. I still like you, though."
I started spending more time alone.
Perhaps it was because I lacked the emotional depth necessary to panic, or maybe my predicament didn't feel dramatic enough to make me suspicious, but I somehow managed to convince myself that everything was still under my control right up until I noticed myself wishing that nothing loved me so I wouldn't feel obligated to keep existing.
It's a strange moment when you realize that you don't want to be alive anymore. If I had feelings, I'm sure I would have felt surprised. I have spent the vast majority of my life actively attempting to survive. Ever since my most distant single-celled ancestor squiggled into existence, there has been an unbroken chain of things that wanted to stick around.
Yet there I was, casually wishing that I could stop existing in the same way you'd want to leave an empty room or mute an unbearably repetitive noise.
That wasn't the worst part, though. The worst part was deciding to keep going.
When I say that deciding to not kill myself was the worst part, I should clarify that I don't mean it in a retrospective sense. From where I am now, it seems like a solid enough decision. But at the time, it felt like I had been dragging myself through the most miserable, endless wasteland, and — far in the distance — I had seen the promising glimmer of a slightly less miserable wasteland. And for just a moment, I thought maybe I'd be able to stop and rest. But as soon as I arrived at the border of the less miserable wasteland, I found out that I'd have to turn around and walk back the other way.
Soon afterward, I discovered that there's no tactful or comfortable way to inform other people that you might be suicidal. And there's definitely no way to ask for help casually.
I didn't want it to be a big deal. However, it's an alarming subject. Trying to be nonchalant about it just makes it weird for everyone.
I was also extremely ill-prepared for the position of comforting people. The things that seemed reassuring at the time weren't necessarily comforting for others.
The next few weeks were a haze of talking to relentlessly hopeful people about my feelings that didn't exist so I could be prescribed medication that might help me have them again.
And every direction was bullshit for a really long time, especially up. The absurdity of working so hard to continue doing something you don't like can be overwhelming. And the longer it takes to feel different, the more it starts to seem like everything might actually be hopeless bullshit.
My feelings did start to return eventually. But not all of them came back, and they didn't arrive symmetrically.
I had not been able to care for a very long time, and when I finally started being able to care about things again, I HATED them. But hatred is technically a feeling, and my brain latched onto it like a child learning a new word.
Hating everything made all the positivity and hope feel even more unpalatable. The syrupy, over-simplified optimism started to feel almost offensive.
Thankfully, I rediscovered crying just before I got sick of hating things. I call this emotion "crying" and not "sadness" because that's all it really was. Just crying for the sake of crying. My brain had partially learned how to be sad again, but it took the feeling out for a joy ride before it had learned how to use the brakes or steer.
At some point during this phase, I was crying on the kitchen floor for no reason. As was common practice during bouts of floor-crying, I was staring straight ahead at nothing in particular and feeling sort of weird about myself. Then, through the film of tears and nothingness, I spotted a tiny, shriveled piece of corn under the refrigerator.
I don't claim to know why this happened, but when I saw the piece of corn, something snapped. And then that thing twisted through a few permutations of logic that I don't understand, and produced the most confusing bout of uncontrollable, debilitating laughter that I have ever experienced.
I had absolutely no idea what was going on.
My brain had apparently been storing every unfelt scrap of happiness from the last nineteen months, and it had impulsively decided to unleash all of it at once in what would appear to be an act of vengeance.
That piece of corn is the funniest thing I have ever seen, and I cannot explain to anyone why it's funny. I don't even know why. If someone ever asks me "what was the exact moment where things started to feel slightly less shitty?" instead of telling a nice, heartwarming story about the support of the people who loved and believed in me, I'm going to have to tell them about the piece of corn. And then I'm going to have to try to explain that no, really, it was funny. Because, see, the way the corn was sitting on the floor... it was so alone... and it was just sitting there! And no matter how I explain it, I'll get the same, confused look. So maybe I'll try to show them the piece of corn - to see if they get it. They won't. Things will get even weirder.
Anyway, I wanted to end this on a hopeful, positive note, but, seeing as how my sense of hope and positivity is still shrouded in a thick layer of feeling like hope and positivity are bullshit, I'll just say this: Nobody can guarantee that it's going to be okay, but — and I don't know if this will be comforting to anyone else — the possibility exists that there's a piece of corn on a floor somewhere that will make you just as confused about why you are laughing as you have ever been about why you are depressed. And even if everything still seems like hopeless bullshit, maybe it's just pointless bullshit or weird bullshit or possibly not even bullshit.
I don't know.
But when you're concerned that the miserable, boring wasteland in front of you might stretch all the way into forever, not knowing feels strangely hope-like.
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«Oldest ‹Older 3201 – 3400 of 4972 Newer› Newest»My bf has depression, and I'm one of those people that gets frustrated. I get frustrated because it feels like he doesn't want to be helped, or that he just wants to be sad. It feels hopeless and it brings my mood down, and usually an argument ends up happening... I know I'm wrong for that. I just want him to be happy, there is so much good in him and in his life and I know I will never fully understand why he can't see it, but I'm trying. The way you describe your depression, I've heard almost identical descriptions from him many times, and I guess I was just pretending to understand, before... Thank you so much for posting this, it has helped me a lot, and it will help me in the future.
What helped me, after a few months of medication, was going home (my mom helped me out for a couple months), getting rid of a bunch of my stuff, road tripping a lot to see people and places, and then pouring myself into a bunch of creative stuff once I was able to actually feel something. Now instead of working a grind and having 'stuff' I don't care about, I only have what I need and I go where I want. Personal freedom is a major key to curing depression, and I find that when I have a stable environment where I can veg out and do nothing, I get depressed again. Now I play life by ear and don't worry about what's over the next hill. When I do, everything sucks, even if it doesn't.
*hug* Depression sucks!
"Maybe everything isn't hopeless bullshit" T-shirt please!!
Yeah. Just yeah. Because, well...yeah.
I never thought I would be straight up sobbing reading this blog, but here I am on my couch blubbering. I have struggled with depression as long as I can remember. I recently went through a spell and recently started to emerge again. It was so great reading something that described how I felt and how I still feel (Strangely enough the movie and book of Les Miserables was my "shriveled piece of corn". It didn't make me laugh, but opened some floodgates that don't seem to want to shut). I just wanted to say, thank you. Now maybe I can use this to explain myself to people.
I appreciate this. I wish you all of the best.
I know others have said this, but I'm so glad to read this.
It is awesome in every way, including the deluge of love and compassion coming at you in the comments.
As you can surely read, many of us have been there, and though that may be hard to remember when the dark times are upon you it does mean that the Aloneness is the illusion, and the reality is Not Alone.
Love love love, and best of luck!
I linked to you. My husband took his life a year ago, and I write about it. But I wanted you to know that this was helpful to me in understanding his profound depression and helpful in my grieving process. So, thank you. http://onolesway.blogspot.com/2013/05/thanks-to-hyperbole-and-half.html
It's like you're me! GET OUT OF MY HEAD, CHARLES! @_@
Totally just shared this. You're brilliant.
I like you a lot and I hope you are/continue to be ok. I've been there too and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
I love you. I do. So much. I'm so happy you're back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So I'm bipolar, see, rapid cycling, so I get depressed All.The.Goddamn.Time. Big ass suicidal depression. I've survived this long partly because of the freaky manic times where everything is unicorns and funny as shriveled corn. When I felt a trigger coming on (not when I'm in depression and life is useless and everything sucks and I don't have the energy to form a full thought beyond the hazy almost thoughts that everything is poo, but when I'm almost about to go into depression but maybe have time to keep it from happening)I would read your adventures in depression post. I shared it with everyone I knew so I could hopefully explain depression to them but first give them a lifeboat (aka: funny description of depression). It would make me laugh so much more than non-depressed people could ever understand, because they don't get it and I just loved so much that you did get it perfectly. Anyway, this is the best description of clinical depression I've seen and I'm going to share it with everyone I know so they can have a better understanding. They always assume it's the same as sadness but it's nothing like that. I don't want to say everything gets better, it is hard as shit (some really hard shit), but you do get those days of clarity where you understand why you should keep living. When you are depressed it feels like you are just trudging through existence, but when you aren't depressed you feel like life is actually a real, meaningful experience. I sometimes write notes to myself when I'm clear-headed, so I can remind myself when I'm not. Because it's less annoying sounding coming from myself, haha.I do have to say that when you find a medication that makes a difference at all it is the best experience in life. I was right on the edge before I got treatment, more like my shirt was caught on the edge and I was waiting for it to rip the rest of the way. It can feel like depression is the truth and everything else is some sort of lie, but then medication is like "screw that, dude, those thoughts are your fucked up brain chemicals, not some sort of metaphysical truth" and it helps my get back on the ledge and even sometimes walk away from it. So... yeah, I think reading things that are hilarious and exciting because someone else understands what you are going through is a huge deal. You are my favorite funny person and I had so hoped you would come back when you were feeling better. I LOVE you, Allie Brosh!!!
Best explanation of depression I've ever read!
I hope things continue trending toward less emptiness.
Have you ever listened to Joanna Newsom? I find her songs help color in the world a little sometimes when everything feels gray.
I also find reading about people being brave and defiant in the face of hardship helps me feel like that might actually be a thing, even if I can't manage it at the moment. Wild Things, by Clay Carmichael brought me back from flatland a bit recently. http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Things-Clay-Carmichael/dp/1590789148/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368125319&sr=1-3&keywords=wild+things
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoneuroimmunology
For example, SSRIs, SNRIs and tricyclic antidepressants acting on serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine receptors have been shown to be immunomodulatory and anti-inflammatory against pro-inflammatory cytokine processes, specifically on the regulation of IFN-gamma and IL-10, as well as TNF-alpha and IL-6 through a psychoneuroimmunological process.[31][32][33] Antidepressants have also been shown to suppress TH1 upregulation.[31][32][33][34][35]
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Glad you're still with us. You were missed.
Those fish, TOTALLY dead. And corn IS hilarious. You are a wonderful person.
Thank you for capturing that all so well.
I hope they eventually manage to find you a medication that doesn't mess with you too badly (or does, but in the good way). Having been through that journey, I know they can be hard to find. But there is hope. ...It's just impossible to see with the giant wall of depression in the way.
I am so glad you are back to tell your story. I am sure it will speak to many, many people. I hope someday that will seem like something good and not more bull***t. May there be other kernels of corn taking you by surprise.
This is the best description of what depression feels like I've ever read. You definitely nailed it. Some days I feel like I am on that "upward" slope, just waiting for a piece of corn (one time, long ago, for me, it was a bird walking across the lawn into the woods), and other times I fear that I still have a long way "down" to go.
I can so completely relate to this. My past few months have been nothing but this. I just recently got on antidepressants, and I feel sort of vaguely normal but not quite.
*hugs*
Allie, youre super good at sharing things in your awesome unique way. Thank you for blogging. <3
Ps. I still like you.
you're in my brain... scarily so. still waiting to find my piece of corn...
This is so accurate it's scary-- and comforting.
I'm glad you're still here, Allie. It had been so long since your last post, and the last one was so scary. Depression sucks; I've been there too and needed to see doctors and take medication after a serious suicide attempt. I'm rooting for you and hope you'll be able to recover!
+1 for everything everyone already said better, so side note: your hoodie-wearing hate face is my favorite illustration here. SO TRUE. Welcome back!! We're all glad.
I seriously just posted a journal on this same subject not being able to explain what the hell I was feeling. I'm now sobbing at work out of the sheer relief that I'm not the only one with these feelings and that it is the depression I was diagnosed with. I always thought depression just meant I was sad. But I was diagnosed a couple of weeks after I watched 7 people I love die in front of me. So, honestly I was like "duh. Of course I'm sad." I didnt realize it explained everything else as well. Thank you for this. Seriously.
Your blog has been a way for my kids and I to read, share, laugh, and create inside jokes together during a difficult divorce. Thank you for writing another post and we look forward to all of your future posts. I can't tell you how much it means to me that you are writing again.
Yes.
Exactly.
No emotion. Detachment. COnvincing yourself YOU HAVE TO BE HAPPY
The work of it all.
Then, you work, and sleep, and exercise and try.
And then one day, you notice the sky is the prettiest blue color. ANd your kids make you laugh. ANd you can feel their hugs again.
I AM SO GLAD you found that piece of corn.
We understand, and this makes us love you.
It makes me love you. xo
I, too, have a fondness for the stray corn nugget.
This is exactly why you're supposed to flush fish down the toilet. Imagine if you had pet rabbits or something. I get you, Allie. Glad you're crawling back to your new normal. It's not easy, but it's amazing how many people have had similar experiences. You are not alone with your fish.
--Rachel
Thank you so much for this. The recognition made me sit down, stunned that i am not the only one who has been through this. You are,literally, a lifesaver. Welcome back x
First time reading your work. I've been depressed for years as well and this gives me hope that life will be better again! Will subscribe now.
I've never read or heard of you, and I probably never will in the future. I've been going through this as well. It's always a shinning light in a dark world to find words to your feels. Sharing helps. This has helped me realize I am in a state of depression, more solidifies it. Everything has become nothing, kinda always has been. Wished for a rock star death, never came. So I continue to roll along. The worst is there is no reason to be depressed. Even when things are grand and all my ducks are in a row, I care not.
I don't agree with pills, and I do think it's something that just randomly clicks. Thank you for sharing, brings comfort to know others truly look deep into their depression, understanding the fact that it's kind of out of your hands and the only true STRONG thing to do is keep putting one foot in front of the other. Thanks
So glad you're back!!!
More comments than you'll ever be able to read, but if you do get this far down it's great to see you back, and I want to suggest you read a blog by a guy called JT - What would JT do? - who's written some stuff about his own depression and what helps or hinders him.
Thank you for posting this. I too recently found my dumb little piece of corn.
At first I was really caught up in "I had so very few feelings, and everyone else had so many, and it felt like they were having all of them in front of me at once. I didn't really know what to do, so I agreed to see a doctor so that everyone would stop having all of their feelings at me. "
And then you talked about the corn. Yes. I had a corn moment except that my corn was a plastic bag. I'll never forget it or how strangely alien the laughter felt and sounded.
I've really missed reading your posts. I hope you'll publishing your posts on depression sometime. Seriously, you should team up one day with a therapist and publish these blogs (ok, so there are only two) as a "No, really, you aren't alone" sort of book. I'd buy it.
Lots of love in a non-creepy, platonic, random person that reads your blog way. <3 So glad that you're back.
I've never suffered from depression but your writing makes it something I can finally understand. Through your humor, it's given me a window into what it's like. I wonder if you're not first person to laugh at corn, maybe that's where the term "corny joke" comes from:)
Allie, You are not alone... your story is extremely similar to mine... I'm coping with my issues now, but It's somewhat comforting that someone out there knows exactly how I feel.
There are no words for how excellent your post is.(2)
First of all, welcome back :)
Reading this was exactly like reviewing my own recovery process over the last two or so years. Especially the metaphor about smashing dinosaur filled buses into walls and hoping to feel something.
Hope you keep getting better :)
i completely get the piece of corn and that was me last year. i thank you for finding the strength to tell your story and just keep doing what your doing.
I cannot express how excited I am to have you back. Like so many others expressed, you have a gift for explaining such a complex and confusing thing in a way " normal" people understand. Next time I'm shriveled up in my dark cave, I will just point people to this blog, and grunt, "dead fish". I'm always pulling for you, Allie.
I'm glad you are feeling at least a little better. I've missed you.
As someone who suffers from severe bipolar/depression/anxiety to the point where I'm actually applying for disability to try and get the help I need, because I have no way of getting help I need otherwise, the corn is so true. Sometimes just the stupidest thing will make me start laughing after weeks of being just numb and broken and I can't explain why I'm laughing at a banging noise I just heard. I'm glad to see you're back and I hope you can keep getting better. All my caring thoughts go out to you.
I've been there and I'm so sorry you had to visit that place. But so glad you've come out the other side.
Good for you, girl. I've been there. It sucks. Hell, I'll never be completely out. But you're so right about the corn... find your damn piece of corn, hold on to it, and never let go!! Love you!!
All I can say is, my world is better with reading your posts. And apparently 3252 other people, so far.
Welcome home.
This is the single best description of depression I have ever read. Especially the fish are dead part.
I hope strangely hope-like moves upward from there, although I'm kind of with you on the hostile response to 'positivity.' I think it's because people hurl it at you like a weapon when you're depressed?
Here's to unweaponized hope.
You're back! :D:D:D Glad to know you're better.
You are amazing; thankyou for sharing this
Thanks!
Yaaaaaaaay!!!! Welcome back!!!!
I feel strange writing this, but I hope you can take care of yourself and love yourself as best you can.
I've missed your posts and I hope you decide (and are able) to post more.
...and I have to say, "Maybe everything isn't hopeless bullshit!" is something we must have on a t-shirt.
This is honestly the best piece on depression I've ever read.
I'm very glad you're on the up, or across, or whatever, even if the path is wavy and confusing.
So glad to see you're back and writing again. We've missed you terribly.
Sorry your fish died, and then showed signs of life but didn't completely come back, so now you have like zombie-type fish who may or may not live again, which leaves you unsure of whether to be hopeful or not. That sounds rough.
yesterday, you said you wanted to make me laugh. I laughed! and your drawings make me understand better too.
Thank you!
First I'm gonna say how glad I am you're posting again because I was consistently checking your page the whole hiatus. (As I'm sure like half the internet was).
Second, as always this is wonderful, but I love this on a whole new level. I won't pretend to understand exactly but perhaps I can say I understand similarly--I have been dealing with depression as well and though I think everyone faces different struggles I could certainly relate. In a strange way reading or hearing about other peoples' struggle is a kind of comfort, and I don't want to say so much that it comes from not being alone as much as it is a way of connecting to something. Even when emotions escape you you can relate to an experience (or at least that's my attempt at explaining why this is so great to me). Here's to you and to progress in feeling that everything isn't pointless. Again, so so glad you're back. You rock.
ALLIE! I, for one, have missed you terribly. I'm so glad you didn't kill yourself, even if it was just because it was too much work to bother with at the time. You're still here! And that makes me happy.
I, too, struggle with depression. And everything you said was exactly right. I finally got on some medication that just made me feel *normal*, instead of manic, or crazy, or like a zombie, or angry all the time. So your non-feels and weird asymmetrical feels, I know them well.
I'm sorry your fish died. But you're awesome with or without fish. That's what I think, anyway.
Thank you so much for putting into words what I couldn't explain to people. And thank you for being brave enough to put this on the internet where all of these nutters/nice, sane, supportive readers can read it and learn from it.
It's awesome that you're back ^_^ long may this upward trend continue!
Welcome back Allie! I'm so glad to see you again. ever since your last post a year and a half ago I've been stalking this page, praying for a miracle bird to swoop in and take your depression away (and then for you to draw said bird!) (it would have rainbow feathers).
As always you have the superhuman ability to describe the undescribable. I never quite knew how to describe the experience of my own depression to others, or even relate it to others who are currently experiencing depression. I guess that's the cornerstone of depression. You really don't know how to relate to anyone, not even those who can relate back to you. Even now, now that I'm past it, I still don't know how to fully articulate, yes, I've been there, I know how it feels (or rather, doesn't feel). But your writing and illustrations still shine through, even after all this time.
Without making this overlong, I am so glad you're getting help. You have a huge crowd of lovers cheering you on!
Keep moving. The inertia of moving will help. It took me 6 weeks of intensive (all day) outpatient therapy to convince me not to kill myself. Try not to get too angry during the next phase (which is when everyone assumes you're better/fine because you're no longer suicidal but you aren't).
But much love and support. You can do it, woman!
So glad you're back and feeling things again, Allie!
This is the best thing I have EVER read on the internet.
There is a reason you are here.
<3
Wow. Thank you so much for writing this. As many people as there are who have commented, there are even more out there who are grateful you shared your story. I hope you continue feeling all of life, and eventually feel more good than not.
This describes my past few months very accurately, I was getting optimistic with all of the similarities thinking that there may be a type of solution at the end. there wasn't, and I don't feel much different, but this helped a little.
glad to see you are back
I feel like if this was a romantic comedy some guy would show you how he could solve your problems with his penis.
CORN IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS!!!!!
Please make this into a book. People need it. Your drawings are brilliant-funny and so is the message. If you do a Kickstarter I'll contribute!
I went through a similar very dark period, I think it's called "passive suicidal ideation" or some such. I kept hoping I'd be hit by a bus, totally by accident, because then it would just be a terrible thing and no one's fault. I remember thinking every morning when I got up: "I just have to make it through the next 16 hours and then I can go back to sleep again." etc etc etc.
I'm glad that you were able to get help, and I'm glad you are getting healthier. The road to recovery has ups and downs, for sure. Thank god for shriveled corn - whatever it takes. You don't have to explain it to anyone else.
That picture of you the glaring at the coffee girls - awesome. I do that today! :)
Allie,
Thank you for being honest. Grief has given me many moments in which to consider the absurdity and fecklessness of life; your post perfectly expresses just how idiotic and deadening depression can be. I've also had crying on the kitchen floor times-more than really make sense–and I would have loved to find a piece of corn then. Instead, my piece of corn was a dew drop that almost fell from a Japanese maple. I watched it, waiting for it to slip off the leaf, just like everything else that succumbs to death and gravity. But it didn't. Then I laughed. And I finally felt happy. I felt happy in a way that I hadn't since I was 4. I felt happy and appreciative and not guilty for being alive when my younger sister no longer was. It doesn't make any sense, but it's true.
I'm so happy that you found that corn.
All the best,
-V-
I have been hoping for something like this to show up. I've been through the exact same thing.. Took me about four years before my own personal "corn" whacked a baseball bat to my brain and started assimilating light again.
I very much wish you welcome back. It's pretty shitty out here, but hey.. It's allright :)
Thank you.
Much <3 to you, Allie. You describe what you've been through so well. I'm on the same journey of finding the balance between meds, emotion, and energy... I really hope things pick up for both of us. Maybe everything isn't hopeless bullshit, indeed.
I missed you. I'm glad you're back. I think if we knew each other, we'd be friends. That's super creepy, but I promise you could take me in a fight. Nothing to worry about.
I find hte most frustrating thing about depression is that who have never experienced it believe that "depression = sadness" and then tell you to "think positive."
It's so much more than that. Your definition about the fog and feeling nothing is so dead on. Feeling sad would be a step up from depression: you'd at least feel something.
The best thing I did was go to an Amen clinic and get my brain scanned. They looked at my scan and knew exactly what medications I needed. My life is night and day different than what it once was. I will take these for the rest of my life. Just like a diabetic takes insulin.
It also pisses me off when people say that you don't need meds for depression, or that you can "out think" this disease. I tried that for 28 years and all it got me was more of the same horrible fog.
My life is completely different than it once was. If something sad happens, I feel sadness but it passes after a few hours. I feel happiness. I feel anger. I FEEL.
And I am so glad.
Allie, I'm so glad you posted. It's clear that many of your readers identify with what you have been going through. Thank you for sharing something so personal. Know that people will never stop caring about you, so you'd better stick around! I struggle with depression as well, and I sometimes wish people wouldn't say "it will get better" as well, because I feel obligated to say "Yeah" when sometimes I really don't think that's true. Even so, I hope that it is true for you, very soon.
Good lord, reading this whole thing, I couldn’t help but just laugh the entire time. Not laughing at her pain, but laughing because she had managed to beautifully (and hilariously) describe every sentient feeling I’ve had for the past four years in rough condense of 19 months in her own words. The sheer fact that I am still depressed ( I have been for a grand total of 8 years) and that I have super amounts of anxiety tacked onto it from college, and there is someone out there who while being depressed to really give the most concise answer as to how it feels and why its hard to get out of it just about the biggest thank you, the friendliest hug, and that tiny shriveled speckled of laughable corn that I could ever freaking use about now.
Your story resonated with me so much, I have felt these things and I know what you're saying is so true. I want to thank you for sharing this because it's given me some tools to share things I've been feeling but couldn't put into words about what it's like to deal with depression and anxiety.
I too know that something like a shriveled piece of corn can be insanely hilarious after a lot of struggles.
All this to say, I'm glad you're back.
Wow. That is good. I hope you don't mind if I use the beginning end page as wallpaper for a while. It is good to know that somebody else feels the same. The whole series is just right. I was thinking I should make my wife or a friend or two read it so they would know but they would just look at me funny wouldn't they.
I understand though. And you. Thanks.
This.......this is so...accurate.
Like seriously every psychologist in the world needs to read this. Because this is exactly what it is like.
Well you might struggle with how all the feelings work, but you sure now how to accurately describe apathy and depression! You're so not alone (even though it feels like it).
I just wanted to say how much everyone has missed you online! AND WE LOVE YOU! And for two years now, I have been checking back at least once a month so see if you had posted anything! And your post today has made me so happy. Especially to know that you're still out there figuring it all out!
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE BACK.
I am also sorry, but I laughed at your comics. They are funny even if they are about your misfortune, and it makes me feel like a dick.
This is awesome.
I made a video where I am plagued by the personification of depression.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIGqZiRa09o&list=PLneANmK7ffsR7FYDHmGawE7B6FscvY0jJ
I'm really glad you're not dead... I hope you find things even better than corn soon :)
I'm glad you're posting again, and feeling something. I got to the "and now let's plan to die!" stage myself last year, which also inspired me to get help. So...that's a thing. So far...improvement. But, one random internet stranger to another, I'm here if you wanna talk.
This post is my piece of corn.
Go Allie! x
Yep, this is depression.
I'm really glad you're back.
Hi Allie, thanks for making me laugh. i just love your blog.
i survived depression, too. i even had the note written and packed my stuff and lay on the bed with 2 boxes of pills. but then i decided to survive, too. i went on prozac and then Effexor saved my life.
i stayed on them for 10 years and am now drug free and happy!!! i went thru everything you did and just wanted to let you know that it is possible to be depression free and drug free, eventually.
that was my worst fear, great i'm gonna be on drugs the rest of my life. but nope. i have to get lots of sleep and eat right and stay away from stress or else it comes back but just know you have a bright future ahead of you!
VERY happy to see you back again. I feel like your posts helped me understand depression a little better, which I've never really been familiar with despite knowing people with serious depression. For what it's worth from an anonymous internet stranger, I wish you and your fish the best of luck.
I spent my teen years if not clinically depressed close to it. Wasn't suicidal but so darn mired in my own -what seemed to be unending and overwhelming - misery that isolation seemed the norm. For years. I didn't talk to friends and family cause - well just no. However, for a solid 5 years I saw a therapist who just listened to a progression of my silence, mumbles, crying, actual talking. She never tried to cheer me up, talk me out of my feelings, belittle my feelings, dismiss my feelings. It really helped
Welcome back.
I just want to say that you have managed to write, in a way I never could, exactly how I was feeling that finally forced me to confront that I needed help. The feeling of NO feeling. Wanting to be dead, not because of desperate sadness, but because it seems like the logical thing to do. Completely emotionless. I will be sharing this with some people around me. Thank you. I hope you've found a way to get help.
Wow. What an excellent and powerful piece of writing. And yes, you did make me laugh, and yes, it was weird. One of my best friends in the world has been severely depressed ever since I met her, and you've helped me to understand what it's like more than anything else ever could. Thank you so much and I'm so glad that things are becoming slightly less bullshit for you; I hope that the trend continues.
I used to be in a pretty rough state, but i can still relate to those kinds of feelings n stuff, and after a second I could understand why the piece of corn was funny. never had depression explained like this before, but its really logical n i think it is a lot clearer than a depressed person trying to explain it lol. cool article :)
i am glad you are back. I just suffered through this myself. i totally relate. thanks, you rock
I LOVE YOU AND THIS! Thanks for sharing, parts 1 and 2 of this were pretty much the most hilariously accurate descriptions of depression ever. Yay Hyperbole and a Half!
I'm so glad you're back. Your last two posts, Depression p1 and p2 really hit home for me. I had the hardest time explaining how I was feeling (or not feeling) but you illustrated it perfectly. Thank you for all your help
Allow me to say that your writing and drawing may have saved my life. Whenever life got to the point you describe - absolutely nothing - I could always come here and feel something. That and hope that you'd come back again someday. I'm very, very glad you did. Thank-you for your brutal honesty and sharing of your wacky view of the world cause you, Allie, give me hope - oh and corn. That too ;-D
I'm sure you're on comment overload right now but OH MY GOD I'M GLAD YOU'RE BACK even if it's just for one post. Missed your posts!!! <3 <3 <3 <3 As always, your post resonates with what my own feelings/non-feelings have been in the past. I'm so glad you exist.
I am with ya girl! I have been feeling along those same lines. I'm just looking for my corn.
xoxo
WELCOME BACK
I just went through this myself, but I've been going through this on and off for about thirty years, so...anyway. I grok. I totally grok. I hope someday things will be okay too.
Allie, I was so happy to read this today. While it was only once before for me, we've been to the same place in depression; that state of nothingness that is far past sadness and almost to non-existence. Your journey isn't over. You may find yourself there again, and if you do, just take your time. Another piece of corn will find you.
And in the meantime just imagine a stadium full of people applauding your progress and you're bravery in sharing it. We're real, and we're cheering for you.
Whether this next little bit of sugary optimism is helpful or not I don't know, but never forget that you are loved.
I love this. I hope I find my corn soon!
I've missed you
[insert here: platitude]
[insert here: supportive words that you've heard a million times already]
[insert here: high volume, low density words]
[insert here: clever, yet inspiring, concluding sentence; and give that bitch some compassion, bitches love compassion]
"I noticed myself wishing that nothing loved me so I wouldn't feel obligated to keep existing."
YES. YES INDEED.
On this note:
HOME (GIVING UP)
Kicked out of every home
the cardboard box of short-term memory
shifts from corner to alley--
assembling in seconds, dismantling as daydreams break.
The longest ones more sturdy--
but hazy, like the center-hall colonial
visited for a birthday party
with yellow hats
and sugar roses poised on perfect cake.
A place you once wanted to live so badly
you pretended you did.
Pretended your name was hers, her tricycle life yours.
The house that wasn’t.
Home is the memory that stays, the same hallway,
the careful stair, the house that’s hard to let go.
Now, out here, it’s easy to leave.
On a hot night in the chatter of temporary memory
It’s easy to feel generous with time and give it all up
handshakes
clean sheets
silence before the first scene
the allure of all that quiet.
It’s that easy
until headlights tap a shoulder and you hear your name being called
the expectant plate and vacant chair
someone waiting for you.
Like a seven year old kept from the game,
you sit quietly, eyeing the sun going down,
swinging your feet and wishing no one loved you
enough to keep you,
hearing your name whispered from outside.
-Jacqueline Renee Ahl
4/21/04
Your fellow depression sufferers salute you. Well done and welcome back. The entire internet really missed you.
Thank you so much, for making me laugh with your funny posts, and making me cry with your sad ones. It is comforting to know that there is at least one other person who understands what it is like.
The next time some inappropriately merry dickbiscuit tells me about the time they were "deeply depressed for a while" because they miss new episodes of Jersey Shore or something else equally banal, I'm going to kill them with a brick, which will have this comic wrapped around it. Thanks, Allie, and good luck.
I know exactly what you mean by wanting to be dead. It's like...I don't matter on the Earth anyway, so there's really no point in being here. I'm glad you got through this, found your corn, and are feeling a bit better. All the best!
Been (be?) there half my life.
Love that you're back.
you make people smile.
As the Bloggess has pointed out: Depression lies. I'm glad that you are slowly finding your way out of it, and hope your Hyperbolic Army helps you.
That's ok that I called all of us that, right? It seems right.
I don't have anything profound to say, but I wanted to add my small voice to the chorus who say 'thank you' for sharing. I've been to that dark, dark place and it was a long way back.
You explained it so well. I swear the first part could have been written by me. The part with the dead fish is so true. I am glad you are feeling better and woud hope (but have no feelings) to be there soon. I am sending this to people because you have explained it better than I can at this point. So thank you!
The thing with the dead fish was amazing. (one of the weirdest sentences I've ever typed.)
And I'm happy corn exists. (also weird.)
I'm genuinely glad that you posted again. I have "felt" much of the same emptiness. You have given me a smile today. Thank you.
Consider my mind blown. I never have seen this explained so well. Thank you - I felt this way for a long time, and went through similar steps. I find myself headed back down that dark hole, and am fighting to keep myself from detaching. I am going to bookmark this and read it often because it truly does explain the loop I often find myself in. Thank you again!!
Thank you for making this posting. I won't say that I have felt what you felt, but I have felt something for stretches of time that allows me to identify strongly with what you have posted. I am moved that you have shared this with us, your readers, and want to say that you have my eternal respect. As an anonymous reader, that may not mean much, but I mean it sincerely.
It's wonderful to know you are still there! I'm grateful for that piece of corn, and grateful for you. Cheers, and keep going!
You can write. And draw. Both really well. Keep doing them, no matter what. Just do them, at least some every day. You have worth.
You have been missed terribly, nonetheless. I hope you continue to laugh and I hope that it turns into an eventual cure for your depression. But, mostly, I hope the rest of us that have felt this low can appreciate your heartfelt braveness. Once again, you have been missed terribly (hopefully that means something.....)
Believe it or not, I totally get the corn thing. And you know what? Whatever makes you happy, as long as it's not disembowling kittens, is great. ^^ I am very glad you're doing a bit better, because I may not know you personally, but I have delighted in your writing enough that I wish I did. The best to you, and thank you for sharing something so personal and difficult to express without trying to make it sound fabulous and mystical. Been there, done that, and I don't have any beautiful, award winning, chicken soupy tales, either. But this is great, in the way you shared it, though I am sorry you had to live through it.
Thank you. It was a little surreal to read such eloquent explainations of things that I have felt before but not been able to explain. SO glad you are back!
great great post, thanks for sharing!
wish I could find my piece of corn.
glad you're back(isn) and I hope you stay.
Fantastic and spot on
Much love, stay strong
You got a lot of corn here, woman.
And now you have one more on that great gleaming corn-colored mountain that stands for just a fraction of the people who are totally psyched you're back!
You got a lot of corn here, woman.
And now you have one more on that great gleaming corn-colored mountain that stands for just a fraction of the people who are totally psyched you're back!
You got a lot of corn here, woman.
And now you have one more on that great gleaming corn-colored mountain that stands for just a fraction of the people who are totally psyched you're back!
Everything about this is perfection.
God bless the corn.
:)
Ha, classic corn story.
Thank you so much for writing this. This is exactly how I feel and it is impossible to express this to others. Good to know I am not alone in this feeling. And nice to think that maybe there IS a kernel of corn on my floor somewhere, waiting for me to find it.
Allie, I'm so glad to hear from you again! And again, you astound me with the way you can explain things that seem un-explainable. I'm sorry that you've been feeling...well, nothing, I've been there. I got into a pretty deep depression after I figured out I was infertile, and I definitely felt like I'd like to just quit existing. Like you said, I didn't want to actively take myself OUT, I just wanted to NOT BE HERE anymore! Nothing was fun anymore and I didn't want to do anything but just...sit...because why bother?? Anyway, after 8 years and two miscarriages, I got pregnant and stayed that way! So I didn't actually DO anything to help myself, really, but it was an external force that acted UPON me to make me feel better, which somehow seems like cheating your way out of being depressed. Either way, I still had no control over it, so I'm going with the flow and enjoying the new situation. I hope (there's that word again, eh?!) that you find something to make life fun and meaningful again and not boring. More than a piece of corn :-P
Thank you for finding the words I never could. Excellent!
Depression sucks and I am sorry that you have to experience it.
You are an awesome writer and so many people find enjoyment in your posts. I, with thousands of others, have been awaiting your return for months.
I can't relate to this at all, but feel sad, angry, dissapointed, all the time. What is that called?
welcome back! good to see you and congrats on the corn.
I haven't found my corn yet. In the meantime I will revel in the catharsis of this post.
Once again you've managed to explain the inexplicable better than anyone else could. Especially the stuff about people offering hope and positivity...that happens with a lot of diseases, not just depression, and it's really irritating, but how can you tell people who are only trying to help that they're irritating you?
Anyway. I hope you find more fridge corn, and continue telling us about it.
omg! ME TOO! Crazy as it seems, even one "cheat"' like bread at a restaurant, and I'm depressed and ridiculous for days! My family says this when I grump " WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN EATING?" Almost always right. Vitamin D and B12 deficiency always an added suspect when I'm depressed for days.. ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT description of a taboo( but shouldn't be) subject!
i relate. you are strong and we welcome you back wholeheartedly. as does the world.
Allieeeeeeeeeee! I don't know what else to say but 'I've been there.' Thanks for writing.
I'm so happy you decided to update♥ I was genuinely worried for you, because depression is a nasty thing. I'm sorry you had/have to go through it, but I hope you'll find more pieces of corn to lighten up your day! Sometimes the silliest things make you giddy for no reason.
(and honestly? The moment I read you found a piece of corn, I laughed as well! I'm sure I would've laughed with you. I hope you get to feel tons better soon♥!)
I am glad you are back, and have been right where you were with regards to not necessarily wanting to kill myself, but wanting things to be over/done/be dead, my family did not respond too well either. Eventually medication helped me as well. I think my corn moment was stepping out at like midnight to have a smoke, I saw some raccoons in the pool and laughed quietly for like an hour.
Maniacial :D !
I'm not sure how to write my comment but I wanted to comment... You did a great job with this post and trying to get the idea accross of how it is to be depressed.
Thanks very much. I dont know why
I've struggled with depression for the better part of the last 15 years, and I've never been able to put it into words. This is EXACTLY what depression feels like. Thank you so much for posting it. <3
I am so proud of you. I am so, so proud. <3<3<3
I don't know you and you have never met me. However you know something about my experiences and life that my friends and family never will.
I just wanted to post and say THANK YOU for sharing your experiences.
Ok, wow. I hate you because you draw briliantly and write brilliantly and the whole package is so dammed brilliant. I get a bit depressed and draw a bit and write a bit but... well.. wow.
Now I see what the fuss is about.
You are wonderful.
Never been through this, but I at least learned something.
Maybe I can be the guy sorry that someone's fish are dead in the future. And if your fish are still dead, I am really sorry.
Thank you for this. My husband suffers from depression and this explains to me what he's going through better than anything else ever has. I hope he will find his piece of corn. So glad you found yours and are blogging again. Take care.
This. Just this.
Overjoyed that you're back, bb. This post sums up what I've gone through and still somewhat am perfectly, which makes me simultaneously sad and happy. Thank you, Allie. ♥
Floorn. Awesome sauce...missed you.
An unhappy existence is infinitely better than non existence. I may be a depressed person, but i revel in the beauty that is the universe. I won't ever leave voluntarily.
Thank you for posting this and sharing your story with us. When you got to the part about feeling hate, I was so happy and excited for you. Hate is something!!! :)
Allie, your story made me cry, you have explained depression so well. Thank you for sharing your story and I (and so many others) are sending you thoughts of hope and well wishes. It's not all bullshit...you will see :-)
There's a crazy huge existential thing that happens. Just know that there are only 2 sides to chose from. Something vs Nothing. Yin vs yang. Depression is about subscribing to the void of nothingness. It's hard to be on the side of somethingness when you can't feel it or see it. But it's there. It's who you are. You are the something. Your soul, thoughts and molecules originate from a divine creation that represents the 'somethingness.' Ultimately it's your core beliefs that create what's in front of you. You can jolt those beliefs into existence with seratonin or DMT but even without drugs you have to know that you have the ability to create belief for the side of the somethingness in the face of the nothingness.
Phenomenal! I know exactly how you feel/felt. I think the corn thing is known as "a breakthrough." That's awesome!
i need more lonely pieces of corn in my life. you have described depression to perfection. thank you from the bottom of my depressed heart. i love your blog and now i think i love you too;)
I'm sure glad you're here. It may have been a time beyond all suckatude, but some of us were out here thinking of you and wondering if you were okay, even though I've never met you.
What you have described? Is the burden of smart people who are trying to evaluate life on its own merits. You're NOT alone. 36 and I already feel like the best bits of life are behind me. BUT! You are funny and smart and therefore have value. The only thing that has any sort of value to me are things that make you forget how ridiculously senseless existence is. One of those things - the best of the things - is humor. Louis CK, Zach Galifinakis... I'd wager that every great comic has been crushingly depressed. So count yourself among them, sister. What you're doing here is a worthwhile thing. It matters.
Super happy to hear you are still out there! Best of luck with it all, and thanks for the deep explanation. Very interesting.
*big hug*
Hey, I'm depressed and on meds myself, getting the shits from them as well. I really hope you feel better because your comics have always been able to make me laugh, esp the comics about your special dog since I have a special dog myself. My counselor said depression is like the common cold of mental health, so at least we aren't schizo or delusional, right?
Congratulations, Allie. We've missed you! I struggle with anxiety and occasional bouts of depression, and I can relate to your point that there is nothing more frustrating than someone telling you to "cheer up" when you have literally zero control over your emotions. I might use that fish example next time...anyway, this post is very eloquent and you're incredibly strong for sharing it with all of us.
This actually made me feel a bit better.. Thank you.
You should try out Dianetics. It will help with this, and fully restore you back to how you want to be. It really works, you gotta try it. Go get the book and start immediately.
I know exactly how you feel. I've been battling depression for years and it seems to be a cycle and I hate feeling like no one understands. I'm so glad you're working your way through it and ecstatic to have you back!
Thank you
P.S. I am so happy to see you are writing again :-)
I'm really glad that you got help and that you're feeling better, even if it is only about unintentionally hilarious corn.
YAAAYYY!!! YOU'RE BACK!!! CORN SAVED EVERYTHING!!!
Perfect!
My new catch-all phrase:
"Shriveled Corn! You're argument is invalid!! Ha!"
I am forever indebted to you for this, uh, kernel of nonsensical truth-wisdom.
Your depression sounds so much like my depression! I'm really grateful to you for sharing both these depression posts. The first really made it easier for me to explain my experiences to others, and this one probably will too. Although, you're correct, it's uncomfortable telling people about being suicidal. Your comic with telling someone about it and she's crying and you just don't know what to say...that exact thing has happened to me.
Anyway, you're really great. I hope things get better for you. Things got better for me. Sometimes all you can do is keep trudging through the wasteland, but sometimes there's an oasis. Or an interesting tumbleweed.
Dear Allie,
These posts are the best description of depression I have seen so far. So recognizable. So perfectly put to words. Thank you for sharing.
And I wish you the best on the rest of your journey.
I love you. Platonically, as a fan of your ability to put such nothing into such words, but it counts as love, right?
I wrote a blog post about my own experience with depression a year ago, and unless you actually found it and read it, you mind-melded with me almost word for word. It IS nothing. Capital N Nothing, like in Never-Ending Story. The worst thing in the world is no thing. As I wrote in my post which I'm certain you didn't read but if you did then yay but there's no way you did and now I've blocked my blog anyway, something that "helped" me the most was knowing there are other people who do actually get it. I wouldn't wish The Nothing on anyone else, but through no fault of mine there are people like me, and you, who have traversed it and get it. Even if all that means is we know what to say or not to say, when to leave us alone or when to tackle each other, it helped me. Love you and your brain.
Know that you are loved
Thank you. May everyone find their corn.
Intense and insightful, strange to believe that all that came from the 'nothingness'. You have given so much and continue to do so and I'm so grateful for you sharing. You make me feel Allie, thanks. I hope you get to revel in the madness of the full range of emotions again some day. Especially more laughter...
Wow.
I've been a big fan of this blog for a very long time but have never left a comment before because I'm such a massive lurker.
Anyways just wanted to say I'm really happy you're back :-) you've been missed! This post was, as always, brilliant. Having never suffered through something like this I can't even begin to imagine how difficult everything has been for you so well done you for fighting through it all!
It is scary how accurately this describes how I have felt/not felt during certain parts of my life. Thank you so much for sharing and making me feel a little bit more sane.
Thanks for writing this. I totally relate. Hope that soon you can laugh at all the things, not just the lonely corn. <3
man, even your depressing shit is awesome. That's got to be a true sign of talent.
I hope writing is still something you want to do. Take your time figuring everything out, we'll be waiting for you.
Joining the 3339 people who have commented so far...
Wow, that was BRILLIANT. I am going to email it to my friends who are depressed, as well as the staff where I work (because we work with a lot of depressed people).
This extraordinary piece of writing/art may very well save the lives of countless people.
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